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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #720 on: 2015.December.15. 09:28:55 »
EnterMice does not support the original MSX mouse.
There were no such assumptions, because these mouse are expensive and increasingly less accessible.

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #721 on: 2015.December.15. 10:06:54 »
NO! NEVER PLUG A MSX DEVICE TO THE ENTERMICE JOYSTICK PORTS!

THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PIN-OUT(Atari standard) SO YOU CAN BREAK SOMETHING!

It only accepts PS/2 mouses...  

Think that the target Enterprise user doesn't have a MSX mouse nor a Neos mouse. Internally it is a PS/2 to MSX adapter attached directly to the Enterprise connectors. It also has extended MSX protocol, it is wheel compatible...

The original Boxsoft Interface shared the Control 1 intersections in the keyboard grid, but in the Entermice design other undocumented  intersections had been used to avoid some incompatibilities.

As a result, the next SymbOS version has to be modified to read the Entermice approach. Not a complicate task so, probably Prodatron will leave the original Boxsoft mode as an option.

In that case, if the Boxsoft mode survives the next SymbOS version, a really easy adapter can be done to connect a MSX mouse to the Entermice. YOU CAN'T PLUG DIRECTLY A MSX MOUSE TO THE PROVIDED JOYSTICK PORTS as theAtari standard has the +5 volts and ground on different pins than the MSX standard. Also the Entermice joystick ports lack the output pin STROBE that MSX mice need.
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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #722 on: 2015.December.15. 10:18:00 »
Another twister-adapter ? :)

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #723 on: 2015.December.15. 10:26:19 »
Yes, it is possible and easy to do it, but I think it is redundant and several steps back. A PS/2 mouse has higher resolution and velocity,  not to mention the extra buttons and wheel.

I think that playing with standards cause accidents sooner or later...

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #724 on: 2015.December.15. 10:46:16 »
In the evening I will show you a diagram, how to connect MSX/Neos mouse to the EnterMice, that there will no accidents ;)

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #725 on: 2015.December.15. 10:55:42 »
But... MSX end users(and Enterprise ones too) better should forget that once in a time a MSX mouse was adapted to the Enterprise.....

MSX devices only for MSX computers.... And PS/2 devices for PS/2 connectors. No mistakes then...


It sounds racist....

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #726 on: 2015.December.15. 18:33:28 »
If someone really wants to connect to EnterMice a NEOS or MSX mouse, put it this way.
More info on Wiki.


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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #727 on: 2015.December.15. 19:38:35 »
Only on Joystick 1, as the mouse driver or SymbOS only read mice on that port when in Boxsoft mode.

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #728 on: 2015.December.15. 20:12:22 »
... and DS1 in position ON on the EnterMice config switch.

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #729 on: 2015.December.15. 21:00:48 »
Thanks for the mouse configs. I prefer a PS/2 mouse as well, but i was just wondering ;)
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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #730 on: 2015.December.16. 09:59:00 »
The most important task of Entermize is the standardization of the Enterprise signals. Once done, interfacing is easy

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #731 on: 2015.December.30. 08:56:15 »
Hi All!,

Yesterday i received a new network adapter for my MSX computer. Called GR8NET. The last weeks Prodatron created a device driver for SymbOS and i had the possibility to test it!
I created a small simple movie but it is crazy how good it works in SymbOS 3.0. I know this is not Enterprise news but i thought it would be nice to know that it rocks in SymbOS.
One machine had the new GR8NET device connected and the other one, the DenyoNet device. (Which is also a network adapter for MSX)


Here is the movie:
Youtube Movie GR8NET work adapter in SymbOS



BDW: Last weeks i was wondering. Maybe it is not so difficult to create a adapter for I/O based MSX hardware for the Enterprise. As this hardware is all IO based it could be adapted with a simple connector? Unfortunately I'm not a hardware expert in enterprise or MSX but maybe a simple thing like this could be created to use I/O based MSX hardware on a Enterprise.
I was also thinking about this for the CPC and this seems to be possible. The cool thing about it that a lot of IO based hardware is already supported for SymbOS (Like the GFX9000, A lot of Storage devices, network adapters). That could be fun.
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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #732 on: 2015.December.30. 11:14:32 »
A MSX cartridge bay on the Enterprise... a great idea. I envy your GFX9000... or your MP3 player...

But I think that the Enterprise has to converge to SymbOS by its own way.


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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #733 on: 2015.December.30. 11:18:40 »
Great news !  :-)

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #734 on: 2015.December.30. 14:51:32 »
Hi All,

I created a small performance tool to compare our home computers using SymbOS.

Is there someone who can test this program in SymbOS on a Enterprise?

And after that can send me a picture of the general score and a picture of the detailed score?
It would be cool if it could be tested on a normal Enterprise and one with a turbo mode!

I hope someone can test it as my ENTERPRISE is currently dead and not working :(

Link to Download (PERFMON.ZIP)
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