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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #930 on: 2019.September.14. 23:53:57 »
It is difficult to contact Prodatron... He is the kind of person that contacts other only when he wants....

I will try to remind him if at least he can fix these minor errors.

I do not love the man who does not respond to the messages. Onto this not reason the occupation! Uneducated, or conceited...

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #931 on: 2019.September.15. 00:46:47 »
Sorry, I have not explained it very well...

He is a busy person, disconnected from web pages, blogs and social webs. This is only my opinion, but probably it is only when he has spare time that he reads some of the latest received messages and feel the need to contact other people who share the same inquietudes.  I don't consider this behaviour to be impolite, only that life is absorbing.

On actual times we tend to demand that once a whatsapp, Instagram, or Twiter message is sent the receiver has an obligation of immediate response. Only 15 years or so ago we used to plane dates with friends without wearing a phone, incredible now....

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #932 on: 2019.September.15. 08:35:26 »
I understand him.
The amount of information that flows into an individual today can be overwhelming.
An atavistic escape response arises instinctively.

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #933 on: 2019.September.15. 20:19:49 »
Okay, we understand everything.
But we have a program for the Enterprise that doesn't do much. Play MP3, play video, play some games.
That's it. While MSX can send email etc. :(

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #934 on: 2019.September.15. 21:39:57 »

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #935 on: 2019.September.15. 21:47:10 »
I wrote on 2017.09.07:
Found a bug :oops:
The "INS Lock" joy mode (for no mouse) isn't working :( In the last EP beta release it worked right.
Later I also wrote an email to Prodatron about this bug.
Still waiting for a fix...

I can't update the SymbOS on the SD Card image because the users who do not have a mouse, can't use it.
« Last Edit: 2019.September.16. 14:20:51 by szipucsu »

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #936 on: 2019.September.16. 00:00:21 »
I think... we can fix it for ourselves, we have done it before.

The Symbos.bin file that holds the operative system is not protected and so we can compare the two versions.

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #937 on: 2019.September.16. 16:26:25 »
I don't think that the joystick control has an error, only it has other ways to work than on the 3.0 demo and earlier versions.

If I maintain ALT pressed while I move the joystick, the pointer  moves. Again, while ALT is pressed, INS acts like main mouse button and ESC shows the START menu. On some key-presses the joystick doesn't need the ALT key at all, but now I can't reproduce it. Please, let's discover other possible combinations.

The mouse movement is not lost nor switched off.

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #938 on: 2019.September.16. 21:16:55 »
If I maintain ALT pressed while I move the joystick, the pointer  moves.
Yes. But until the last beta release, when you simply press INS then it is locked the "joy-mouse" mode, don't need continously press ALT. PAUSE and STOP are the two mouse buttons. Next INS switched back to normal joy mode.
All of these worked perfectly, very comfortable mouse simulation.
But in the final 3.0 need to put heavy book to ALT button...

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #939 on: 2019.September.16. 23:57:50 »
As I have said, on some circumstances I didn't need to press ALT. I have to search how.

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #940 on: 2019.September.17. 09:35:59 »
As I have said, on some circumstances I didn't need to press ALT. I have to search how.
Interesting!

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #941 on: 2019.September.17. 22:33:34 »
Okay, we understand everything.
But we have a program for the Enterprise that doesn't do much. Play MP3, play video, play some games.
That's it. While MSX can send email etc. :(

Hi Tutu’s,

I am glad you liked my e-mail program  ;) It is not released at the moment ;) but it should work on the enterprise as well!!  That is the benefit of SymbOS. Only thing is for the enterprise is that the network hardware is still missing. In a way that is the reason why it is not usable on the enterprise. I really hope that this will be available some day on the Enterprise as well. And yes, then we need a supported driver as well.

I know Prodatron is still working on the 3.1 release. (For all supported systems, including Enterprise)
I will meet Prodatron on the Classic Computing fair in Germany this weekend! The e-mail program needs the 3.1 release as well because of memory fixes in SymbOS. Somehow I managed to make the email client so big I encountered this issue. It is my biggest SymbOS project in size until now.

And yes! I really need to do some bug fixes as well on some ‘old’ apps which have the color issues on the Enterprise. But this is because of a bug in the old development suite, Unify for SymbOS.  As Unify is obsolete and because of many reasons I work in Quigs now. (Which was beta released as well) But i still need to migrate/convert my old projects to the new envoirment.. time is the biggest issue here ;) But when done those issues should be fixed as well. And after releasing 3.1 I think the Enterprise system should be on speed again!
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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #942 on: 2019.September.18. 11:56:49 »
It seems that the LOCK+INS key combination needs at least 1 second pressed to select joystick control. It is not an error then, but better try it on your equipment.

I have also observed that it doesn't work if the EnteMice interface is plugged-in(probably the same on the emulator). The pointer flickers but doesn't move, as if the mouse movement had greater priority than the joystick movement.
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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #943 on: 2019.September.18. 15:15:43 »
And yes! I really need to do some bug fixes as well on some ‘old’ apps which have the color issues on the Enterprise. But this is because of a bug in the old development suite, Unify for SymbOS.  As Unify is obsolete and because of many reasons I work in Quigs now. (Which was beta released as well) But i still need to migrate/convert my old projects to the new envoirment.. time is the biggest issue here ;) But when done those issues should be fixed as well. And after releasing 3.1 I think the Enterprise system should be on speed again!

Hi edoz,

All right, thanks for the answer. We count on you because SymbOS is wonderful.
Version 3.0 really contains bugs, and we also had a request for extended partitions that Sym Commander doesn't see.
If you meet Prodatron, welcome! The Enterprise camp really wants a fantastic SymbOS! :)

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #944 on: 2019.September.20. 12:41:31 »
I am still waiting your enthusiast answers.  

Does the 1 second LOCK+INS combination work to activate the Joystick control on your real machine?

Please, SymbOS 3.0 FINAL without the EnterMice adapter.
« Last Edit: 2019.September.20. 12:45:11 by gflorez »