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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #300 on: 2014.November.14. 09:27:47 »
How can I create a disk image for the enterprise ? If I want to test my own apps. ;)
It is a standard FAT12 disks, MS-DOS compatible. You can find tons of programs to do this :-) I using WinImage on Windows.
And there is a empty disk image pack.

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #301 on: 2014.November.14. 10:08:23 »
@Edoz - Symstudio in MSX DSK settings can also be used for the Enterprise. Cool really I have no work to do on that. I will of course set up a compile for Enterprise button to make it look like I'm doing lots of work

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« Reply #302 on: 2014.November.14. 10:16:26 »
@Edoz - Symstudio in MSX DSK settings can also be used for the Enterprise. Cool really I have no work to do on that. I will of course set up a compile for Enterprise button to make it look like I'm doing lots of work


YES!!! It works! .. Amazing!! .. I never created something for the Enterprise but Tetris is just working without troubles !!



I also tried to run explore.exe (which is not finished currently) But it works very well... (ok I still have to the correct colors as it was build for 16 colors and not 4)




Prodatron and trebmint your software is crazy cool!
Have fun with the Z80!

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #303 on: 2014.November.14. 11:08:26 »
YES!!! It works! .. Amazing!! .. I never created something for the Enterprise but Tetris is just working without troubles !!
Can we download it? :-)

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« Reply #304 on: 2014.November.14. 11:14:23 »
Can we download it? :-)

explorer.exe is currently in development so you have to wait. But Tetris is already done. But I just noticed that the arrow keys are not working in games. (like tetris)
Prodatron needs to fix that first ;)
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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #305 on: 2014.November.14. 12:46:23 »
The "keytest" function, which returns, if a key is currently pressed or not, isnt working now, as it requires another translation map. Will come with the next update :)

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« Reply #306 on: 2014.November.14. 13:21:09 »
The fact that Tetris works without change on a completely different machine is pretty amazing... especially as it is a graphical App and the VDP and Nick chips are just so so different.

I think its really great that Enterprise users seem to be interested in symbos. together we can create something really good. Even if its not in a special attribute type byte aligned screen mode :P

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« Reply #307 on: 2014.November.14. 13:33:21 »
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I think its really great that Enterprise users seem to be interested in symbos.

Enterprise lacks of programs which can use much memory or can handle and does use much background storage.

In this year Saint built very cool memory extensions and vortyex built SD controllers what are as cool and tiny like the former ram extensions.

When somebody mentioned SymbOS in a topic, I saw that it is THE solution for effectively using those.

And fortunately, lgb thought of it, too ... :)
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« Reply #308 on: 2014.November.14. 13:51:26 »
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Even if its not in a special attribute type byte aligned screen mode :P

Enterprisers (and probably every micro users) always look for possibilities to use as much of their stuffs as can be possible ... maybe multi color background on EP with a multi platform OS like SymbOS is too much ... but those pictures are very magnetic to us, because these are a relatively new deveopment on the EP and they liberated the EP screen from the 4/16 color madness ... :) In EP's own ages we simply could not imagine EP can do pictures like these ... If they could show up like background screens of a GUI OS ... It would be "incredible" I think ...
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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #309 on: 2014.November.14. 13:54:28 »
Just a idea: Enterprise mode screen saver. At this situation can be used these pictures.

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« Reply #310 on: 2014.November.14. 13:59:00 »
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Just a idea: Enterprise mode screen saver. At this situation can be used these pictures.

Yes! With a cool interleaved slide in from the two sides ... or such ... :)

50FPS byte scroll would be good enough ... that would be fast and slick enough ...
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« Reply #311 on: 2014.November.14. 14:04:49 »
Or maybe with a simple pre calculated palette fade in/out from/to black ...
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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #312 on: 2014.November.14. 14:11:29 »
Just a idea: Enterprise mode screen saver. At this situation can be used these pictures.

Indeed, very nice idea! Also, I am not sure if it's possible but there can be SymbOS apps having "fullscreen" mode with "private" gfx mode. So even an image viewer, which on EP at least can show image in full screen with fancy Nick LPT tricks. The only disadvantage: it won't run in fullscreen mode on other SymbOS ports, so it somewhat violates the "portable application" rule (but anyway even videos having MSX and CPC format separately so it seems even with SymbOS there are exceptions of the "being portable" rule).

http://ep.lgb.hu/jsep/demo/?disk=EPSLIDESHOW.IMG&autostart=yes&skiplogo=yes&mem=128&zt=no

It's not even interlace btw, I can imagine screen saver simply shows pictures one after one ... So it can be better :)

Btw about video modes: as I mentioned I have the idea that there are MSX and CPC videos for SymbOS. Would SymbOS/Enterprise-128 would be able to show one of them? I guess CPC's format is close just the video memory is linear not "interleaved" (or whatever) as with CPC. Because if it is not possible another machine dependent video format should be introduced ...

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #313 on: 2014.November.14. 14:29:37 »

In this year Saint built very cool memory extensions and vortyex built SD controllers what are as cool and tiny like the former ram extensions.


Indeed SD controllers are very usefully... especially for SymbOS it's a must I think. It's very nice that those devices are available for the Enterprise Computer. I saw there is a IDE tab in the enterprise emulator. Is this based on the same principals ?

It's funny. I never heard about the Enterprise system until Prodatron told me about it. I don't know why, but somehow I like this machine. I installed yesterday the emulator and I was  totally surprised about the boot screen! that is so colorful! and the nice keyboard sound in basic.
That sound is crazy. Ok... I'm sorry ;) ... the MSX is for me the most amazing computer .. but the Enterprise seems to get close to the MSX ;) . I don't own a Enterprise. (The prices seems sky high on Ebay for me) But it looks very cool with the joystick on the console! To bad they didn't build-in a floppy drive during that time.

Anyway! I would say let's work together and make nice programs for SymbOS :D :D and those lovely supported Z80 system :D
Have fun with the Z80!

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Re: SymbOS
« Reply #314 on: 2014.November.14. 14:33:05 »
The .vid videos created will work in 4 colours for Enterprise straight from day 1. The format is already fine I believe.

The thing to take from symbos is that it will be pushed by Prodatron pretty much as far as it can go on specific platform, as long as it doesn't create a situation that an APP wont work on another supported system. The attribute mode would probably be too platform specific, as neither the CPC or MSX use that, and there's no benefit in creating a 8 pixel byte aligned version as that would break all the Apps that currently exist.

Taking symbos fullscreen and not cross platform graphically is something I hope happens after 3.0, but it needs to be carefully planned as it would be great to keep 99% of code the same even if the graphics are machine specific. Symstudio already allows the importation of .bmp, jpgs etc and converting to 4/16 colour with automatic embedding into projects, meaning you dont have to rely on the symbos automatic upgrade or downgrade. basically meaning graphics can already be kind of machine specific if you wish