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I am still eager to see the first Enterprise game taking advantage of the use of a mouse.

There are a lot of games conceived as point&click adventures, Shoot'em up's or strategies whose gameplay would increase a lot being managed with a mouse.

I like to play games, but usually I am trapped on other concerns that amuse me more....That's why I do not know a lot about games.

Is for that I've opened this thread, to collect game titles that could be enhanced if adapted to mouse use.

I'm not saying that I will do the conversion, I have no level to do it.

Only as a wish list of Enterprise games or other waiting to be converted.  


Then, "somebody" can take the idea and attempt to do it...


For example, I have heard about CPC versions of point&click adventure games that I have played on Pc, like Blade Runner(inspired on the movie), or Full Throttle. Also Orion Prime with a Spanish version.



Edit: The CPC's Blade Runner and Full Throttle games are not  point&click. Sorry, I was lied by a trash web page....
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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #1 on: 2016.April.28. 15:36:07 »
many "tr-dos" games uses mouse, waiting to convert :)
(tr-dos is a russian specy thing, see wos archive)
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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #2 on: 2016.April.28. 15:43:16 »
(tr-dos is a russian specy thing
Just for the sake of accuracy: originaly it is "Made in England" by Technology Research Limited. Then many clone created in Russia, Brazil, Czechoslovakia, Italy.


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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #3 on: 2016.April.28. 20:40:36 »
I have found B.A.T. for CPC, a point&click with comic like graphics. Here is another English version.




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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #4 on: 2016.April.28. 21:53:11 »
Shufflepuck cafe is a fun and beautiful mouse game and there's a cpc version http://cpcrulez.fr/GamesTest/shufflepuck_cafe.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeJbxffRKAY

Additional enhancements could include sample sounds and maybe an attribute-mode colorful opponent choosing screen (but the cursor can be a problem, I think) and title screen... Or maybe even use the mode for the opponent's ingame graphics. Also looking at the ingame screenshots it seems that the fix-bias in 16c mode shouldn't be a problem because the playfield seems to use max 8 colors.
For the enhanced graphics (and sound?) amiga version could be used.
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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #5 on: 2016.April.28. 23:50:48 »
Shufflepuck cafe is a fun and beautiful mouse game......


I have played it in the EP128emu CPC emulator with the PC cursors, and really the movement with the pads is very similar to the actual machine.

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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #6 on: 2016.April.29. 08:21:53 »
List of ZX Spectrum games and utils with Kempston Mouse support: http://velesoft.speccy.cz/kmsoft.htm

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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #7 on: 2016.April.29. 08:48:46 »
List of ZX Spectrum games and utils with Kempston Mouse support: http://velesoft.speccy.cz/kmsoft.htm
Wow!

Can you link some informations about the Kempston Mouse? How it is working... for compare with EnterMice.

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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #8 on: 2016.April.29. 09:27:23 »
is it possible to use mouse in is-basic programs?
maybe I will make some if yes
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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #9 on: 2016.April.29. 09:38:16 »
I also didn't know of it. Seems that it works differently than EnterMice or MSX-Boxsoft-Neos. The Kempston mouse use other pinout than the Kempston joysticks. Here you can see the schematics of the interface.

It returns directly the coordinates reading Z80 ports. But the drawback is that the resolution is limited to only 255x255, enough for a Spectrum.
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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #10 on: 2016.April.29. 09:41:00 »
On one of the links of the WOS page I found this explanation about how to use it on the Spectrum Basic:

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MOUSE TALES

THIS MONTH’S £30 software prize goes to Andrew Haslam, who’s sent in a wonderfully concise program that illustrates exactly how to control a BASIC program with a mouse.

Andrew read about Paul Cotton’s Kempston Mouse problems in Issue 46: he has discovered three IN commands that let you read the mouse position and both buttons from BASIC or machine code. The listing is his program — a trivial drawing routine, where the left button lifts the ‘pen’ off the screen and the right button clears the display. It’s not really useful as it stands, but it’s a good starting point for further experiments.

According to Andrew, the program works with the Kempston Mouse and its clones: I haven’t got the right interface to be able to test it.

IN 64479 reads the horizontal position of the mouse, and IN 65503 gives the vertical position. The two buttons are read with IN 64223, which gives 252 if both are pressed. 253 for the right button only and 254 for the left button. You get 255 if neither button is pressed.

10 LET X = IN 64479
20 LET Y = IN 65503
30 IF IN 64223 = 253 THEN CLS
40 IF IN 64223 = 255 THEN PLOT X,Y
50 GOTO 10


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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #11 on: 2016.April.29. 09:56:36 »
is it possible to use mouse in is-basic programs?
maybe I will make some if yes
Are you think about the EnterMice?
Yes it is can be used in Basic, see the examples.


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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #12 on: 2016.April.29. 10:48:11 »
(tr-dos is a russian specy thing, see wos archive)
Can you link some informations about the Kempston Mouse? How it is working... for compare with EnterMice.

TR-DOS and Kempston Mouse is popular in Russian because that interfaces is cheap, simple and came to the Post Soviet countries in first of all.

Unfortunatly, about Kempston Mouse i can't say anything. I'm not hardware guru. :oops:  I just love retro computers.

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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #13 on: 2016.April.29. 13:40:12 »
I thought that Endi was asking about Spectrum Basic.... Yes, on the EnterMice wiki there are also Basic examples to download if you don't want to type.

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I've not seen a Kempston mouse system in my life, but if it is the mouse who says where on the screen is the pointer, then it will force total linearity to the movement, without velocity at all.

On EnterMice, the driver multiplies by 2 the relative increment if greater than 1, and I think that "modern" PS/2 mice add velocity internally.

What is mouse velocity? You are in front of a PC now, isn't it? if you move slowly the mouse the pointer is displaced precisely across the screen, and you need a big table to reach from corner to corner.  

But if you attempt the same distance with rapid shakes of the mouse you will see that you only need a few centimetres to reach the opposite corner. The faster you move the hand the farther  the pointer reaches with lower precision.



Of course, that games can be theoretically emulated to use EnterMice without problems if they manage some type of coordinates. But the gameplay will be better than in the original game, I think.
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Re: List of games that would work better controlled by a mouse.
« Reply #14 on: 2016.April.29. 13:48:33 »
I think need to put EnterMice reading to the IRQ routine, and put the screen coordinates to memory variables. And modify the Kempston routines for read memory variable instead the I/O port.
If the Kempston reading also in the IRQ routine then possible replace with directly with EnterMice.

With 48K programs don't problem with memory, Page 0 are available for the extra routines (it is a ROM in Spectrum).
With 128K program can be problem if the program fill the whole 128K, but this situation also problem without mouse, because need a space for LPT.
But the most of 128K programs don't use the whole 128K, it is run on 48K, and 1-2 extra segments used for AY music.