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SNG music from AtariST
« on: 2024.May.07. 20:48:34 »
I see that some demos and games use music files from the Atari ST: .SNG (The Music Studio Song)

The built-in player is very simple, but plays a lot of files I've fed it (by file swapping).
I wonder why they didn't design it as a separate program to play this type of file?

Tutti Frutti - file TUTTY_2.PRG
NASA Guy demo 1 - built-in
NASA Guy demo 2 - ACC1.SNG
NASA Guy demo 8 - CALYPSO.SNG
NASA Guy demo 11 - TANGO.SNG

SNG songs I take here https://www.noniandjim.com/Jim/MusicStudio/MusicStudio.html

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #1 on: 2024.May.08. 07:27:12 »
I wonder why they didn't design it as a separate program to play this type of file?
Obviously, the author would be the only one who could answer your question, but I have an assumption that may have some truth to it. The demoscene is not only a community of friendship, but a community of competition, too. And when you compete, you may very well try to keep your advantages to yourself or, at the least, try not to draw the attention of your competitors to it. Failure to do so resulted in e.g. the Commodore 16/+4 scene in certain cases in animosity between the sceners and some exaggerated measures.

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #2 on: 2024.May.08. 09:15:53 »
About 13 years ago we discussed about this :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
Here and here.

As I wrote: SNG player looks universal, simple way to tray it replace file in Nasa&guy 2 or 8 demo. 2 accept about 13900 bytes SNG file, 8 about 12800 bytes.

BUT! The instrument set used for Dave playing are different in the two demos (and probably in the all others which use SNG songs).

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #3 on: 2024.May.08. 10:50:19 »
About 13 years ago we discussed about this

The forum search engine didn't want to show me wise speeches from the past.:)

And when you compete, you may very well try to keep your advantages to yourself or, at the least, try not to draw the attention of your competitors to it. Failure to do so resulted in e.g. the Commodore 16/+4 scene in certain cases in animosity between the sceners and some exaggerated measures.

Oh. I was hoping that such ‘wars’ were left in the 90's.
I've seen it in old Russian demos for Spectrum (and in new ones sometimes too). There was a lot of stuff going on there in those times.

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #4 on: 2024.May.08. 11:23:27 »
The forum search engine didn't want to show me wise speeches from the past.:)
For me it is also hard to find where :lol:
I remember about it, and still have a SNG directory on my disk. Finaly the "sng midi nasa" was the right keywords :ds_icon_cheesygrin:

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #5 on: 2024.May.08. 12:24:27 »
Oh. I was hoping that such ‘wars’ were left in the 90's.
Do you see any "wars" like that nowadays? :?: And the emphasis was on the competition and competitive advantages, not on the silly quarrels.

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #6 on: 2024.May.08. 19:26:31 »
5 years ago there were definitely various fights in the Russian ZX community between groups of people with and without reason.
Now I watch their work less, so can't say more specific.

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #7 on: 2024.May.08. 20:21:38 »
Can Scoretrack for Kopacsy's MIDI cartridge open and play *.SNG files?
Or did it just import the notes from those files?

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #8 on: 2024.May.09. 08:07:21 »
I have never tried, I tried only the Midi files.

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #9 on: 2024.May.09. 12:13:27 »
I have never tried, I tried only the Midi files.
But you write it at ROM fix: "now bigger SNG files can be loaded also"
Don't tried it? :-)

Anyway there are .ENV and .PAT file options at that screen...
Probably these are the instrument sets used for Dave playing? What mentioned previously, which are different in the two demos (and probably in the all others which use SNG songs)?

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #10 on: 2024.May.09. 13:10:34 »
But you write it at ROM fix: "now bigger SNG files can be loaded also"
Don't tried it? :-)
No :D , i did not try any SNG files, just MID's.

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #11 on: 2024.May.09. 13:44:27 »
No :D , i did not try any SNG files

Liar! :)

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Re: SNG music from AtariST
« Reply #12 on: 2024.May.09. 15:44:13 »
Liar! :)
I really did not try SNG, or at least i do not remember :lol
But as i remember i did not have SNG song at hand, just 2-3 midis, and i tried those.