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:UK => Other topics => Topic started by: Zozosoft on 2008.July.07. 14:21:11

Title: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2008.July.07. 14:21:11
Hello Jimmy, welcome in our forum!
I see you are from Ukraine, it is great! We long time waited for anyone from the ex-Soviet Union!

What do you know about the Enterprise story in the SU?

We know from a interview with the director of the Hungarian Enterprise Distribution, about 3000 machines sold in the SU. Mostly used as school computer. And planed to assembly Enterprise machines in SU, but I think it is never realized.

Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Jimmy on 2008.July.07. 16:48:35
...What do you know about the Enterprise story in the SU?

We know from a interview with the director of the Hungarian Enterprise Distribution, about 3000 machines sold in the SU. Mostly used as school computer. And planed to assembly Enterprise machines in SU, but I think it is never realized.

Hello, all,
I didn't expect that ENTERPRISE can be so popular today - it's a wondering :)
My one is from Hungary - we lived in BudaPest some years, when I was at school :) With the help of some mates we've gave strong concurrency to Commodores guys  :lol:
That years ENTERPRISEs enters SU with the help of people, who visit Hungary. Among advantages (low price, excellent technical features) there was one disadvantage - a little number of software products. Therefore, a lot of computers went to second-hand stores in a complete with some games tapes. By the way, that times, second-hands was the only way to buy E in SU.
In the beginning of 90th, there was an enthusiastic group in "Machinery to Youth" (an magazine, which published in Moscow), which tries to give a popularity to E. They stay as importer for E, peripherals, software and documentation. Also, they print articles with dumps of small programs they wrote, EXOS & IS-BASIC documentation & examples of how to use it, make lotteries & more. I saw near 12 (one year subscription) number of magazines, in which there were some pages dedicated to E. But there was more.
Maybe that guys bought all ware from H. E. D. ? But as far as I remember, it was German' supplier.
That years I've hear rumors 'bout E in school, but I've never known was that truth. There were neither Google, nor internet :lol:
Later, after 2000, I've tried to email sometimes to magazine's editorials, to find out where all that was, but haven't any responses :( Their modern site doesn't contain anything related to E.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2008.July.08. 11:24:20
My one is from Hungary - we lived in BudaPest some years, when I was at school :)
Great :-)
Details of your machine are welcomed to the Your Enterprise configuration? topic (http://enterpriseforever.com/hardware/your_enterprise_configuration-t108.0.html;new#new)
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With the help of some mates we've gave strong concurrency to Commodores guys  :lol:
The old good wars :) currently Intel vs. AMD, Nvidia vs. Ati, Windows vs. Linux and etc :-)

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They stay as importer for E, peripherals, software and documentation. Also, they print articles with dumps of small programs they wrote, EXOS & IS-BASIC documentation & examples of how to use it, make lotteries & more. I saw near 12 (one year subscription) number of magazines, in which there were some pages dedicated to E.
These are released in Russian? Do you have any of these?
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That years I've hear rumors 'bout E in school, but I've never known was that truth.
Now I readed again the mentoined Hungarian interview (http://ep.homeserver.hu/Dokumentacio/Cikkek/Picture/1991-marc-15.jpg), it is talking about schools in Kazakhstan.

When I searched the internet about the Enterprise I found some Russian forums where talking about the Enterprise 128. But I not understood what :(
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Jimmy on 2008.July.08. 17:02:06
...These are released in Russian? Do you have any of these?...
No, it seems to be ordinal English or German (with two langs error messages) computers. Later, that guys burned Cyrillic fonts in EXOS ROM (chars 128-159, capital and small letters, but only that, which are different in glypth from latin). I haven't such computer, however I've tried to win it in their lottery, but I've responded too late.
...it is talking about schools in Kazakhstan...
They're lucky! Meanwhile, the most popular enthusiastic computer in ex-SU was Spectrum. There are many radio and computer amateurs, who has constructed Speccies by their hands. Many small enterprises developed their own PCB versions and some kind of extensions. Guess, how many of them know, what means "ENTERPRISE" ?  :)
...When I searched the internet about the Enterprise I found some Russian forums where talking about the Enterprise 128. But I not understood what :(
You can post me the links to that messages, and I will translate them in-brief. However, only 1-to-1000 targets from google results by "E..." leads to some E-related. I's a very-very rare now  :) At now, google filled with Sun Enterprise Servers, and others...

Sometime later, I would find all numbers from mentioned magazine, and would know (may be) where all that stuff has comes...
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Jimmy on 2008.July.08. 21:09:06
(http://techmol.narod.ru/TM/Covers/1992_03.jpg)
It's the cover of the near-the-first issue of "Machinery to Youth" magazine, which contain E-related material.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2008.July.08. 21:34:20
It's the cover of the near-the-first issue of "Machinery to Youth" magazine, which contain E-related material.
Woooooowwwww!!!! Fantastic!!!!!!
Want to see the articles!
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Tricky on 2008.July.14. 21:19:49
Jimmy,

Do you have another picture of the cover as I cant see it ?

(welcome to the site by the way !!)

Cheers

Tricky
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2008.July.14. 21:43:14
There is the picture:
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(I saved from the original link)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Tricky on 2008.July.14. 21:53:49
Thanks Zozo !!

Can anyone translate into English?

Cheers

Tricky
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Jimmy on 2008.July.18. 21:38:38
...Can anyone translate into English?...
There is a title "Machinery to Youth" at the top, and "Win the chase with the five-headed Questionnaire, and the ENTERPRISE world will be opened to You (competition terms on p. 1)".
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2008.November.05. 00:07:42
Russian forum (http://solaris.natm.ru/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8496), anyone understood it?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: ALLiGaToR144 on 2008.December.14. 21:39:00
I understand (i'm from Russia).
first message about Enterprise from user "Vuego", the quote in message from ru.wikipedia (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_128).
second message about article from this site (http://compmuseum.narod.ru/articles/enterpr64.html). It's about Enterprise in UK, in Hungar, and small text in USSR.
I can find magazine "Machinery to Youth" if you need it..
PS: my English is bad, i fogot it :)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2008.December.14. 21:43:39
I understand (i'm from Russia)
Welcome here!

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I can find magazine "Machinery to Youth" if you need it..
Yes we want it!
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PS: my English is bad, i fogot it :)
No problem!
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: OA128 on 2009.February.28. 00:08:58
Russian forum (http://solaris.natm.ru/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8496), anyone understood it?

automatic translation to english (http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsolaris.natm.ru%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D20%26t%3D8496&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8)


automatic translation to hungarian (http://translate.google.fr/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fsolaris.natm.ru%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D20%26t%3D8496&sl=ru&tl=hu&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Nikitosina on 2010.February.09. 09:31:00
Hi! I'm Enterprise 128 owner from Russia.
This is my first computer and i'm very glad to read this forum :)
I received EP on a 8 year bithday in 1988 from father. During the first year i got around 50 games for EP from Father's friend. It was imposibble to find any other sources of hardware or software in my region for EP so i moved to more popular ZX-Spectrum in 1993. Horever i still love EP.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: geco on 2010.February.09. 09:39:51
Welcome here :)

You are in the best place :D, you can get nearly all Enterprise game/utils/demo from http://www.ep128.hu/ (http://www.ep128.hu/Ep_Games/Games_YZ.htm) home page.
Did you sell your Enterprise, or you still own it?
Do you have your 50 games?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Nikitosina on 2010.February.09. 10:35:37
Thanks for the link! I'm trying to use ep128 emulator but can't open any images yet. Can you please give me a link to necessay topic with emulator FAQ?
Yes i still own EP :) the cursor joystick and original kempston are not working (killed during childhod). I have 2 original tapes: Magic Knight + Cybernoid, The Abbys + Out of this World. Also i have Magic Ball tape for EP128+ but have no chance to play it (was unable to get "plus" upgrade). The rest of tapes was copies (5-10 games per tape) and that tapes was lost. The most remarkable games for me on EP was: Out of this world, Cybernoid, Attic Atack, Batman, Doomdark revenge (or something like that), Antiraid, Beatcha!,  and many others (i can't remember names for a lot of games).
BTW i want to find a game about space ship that travels around the planet and explore caves. You can find some "upgrades" that attaches to your ship and you can find some "parts" with can be connected together if dropped properly. It's a pity i can't remember this game title but i want to beat it :)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: szipucsu on 2010.February.09. 11:56:43
Welcome in the forum!
I'm trying to use ep128 emulator but can't open any images yet.
In the Options/Disk/Configure menu you can select the floppy image.

BTW i want to find a game about space ship that travels around the planet and explore caves.

Maybe Academy? Ringwars? Elite?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Nikitosina on 2010.February.09. 12:20:35
Welcome in the forum!In the Options/Disk/Configure menu you can select the floppy image.

Maybe Academy? Ringwars? Elite?

Hi! I mounted a floppy image but it's empty. How to create a proper image?
I found the game i wanted to play - it's cyberun http://www.crashonline.org.uk/28/cyberun.htm
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: szipucsu on 2010.February.09. 12:29:25
Hi! I mounted a floppy image but it's empty. How to create a proper image?
Virtual floppy drive (http://www.ep128.hu/Emu/VFD21.rar) might do.

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I found the game i wanted to play - it's cyberun http://www.crashonline.org.uk/28/cyberun.htm
I never could reach anything in this game, it was destroyed before going to the cave, it was awful :D
I think Nyuzga made some training mode to this game...
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2010.February.09. 12:37:27
On this page (http://ep128.hu/Ep_Emulator.htm) you can download disk images with programs.
Come down to "Disk-image file-ok"
Játékok: Games
EP64 kompatibilis játékok: games which are run on 64K machines
Demók: Demos
Zenék: Musics
Felhasználói programok: Utility programs
Üres lemez: Empty disks

EP_ide126m: hard disk image with 4 partitions filled with lot of programs. For use it need to load any configuration in the ep128emu which are contains the IDE ROM. (Hard disk partition can accessed as F:, G:, etc on Enterprise)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Nikitosina on 2010.February.09. 13:22:43
Wow! You guys so helpful, thank you! :)
I will try floppy soft tomorrow.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: MrPrise on 2010.February.09. 16:41:12
Welcome and have fun! :-)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Nikitosina on 2010.February.10. 05:40:51

EP_ide126m: hard disk image with 4 partitions filled with lot of programs. For use it need to load any configuration in the ep128emu which are contains the IDE ROM. (Hard disk partition can accessed as F:, G:, etc on Enterprise)

Hi Zozo. First of all, thanks for the work you done!
I have played several games recently but can't use that image (HDD). The google translation helps a bit but i still need your help. I choose "EP_640k_EXOS231_IDE_utils" as a configuration file (is this the only one with IDE?) after that "options - disk - configure - IDE " i put that large image file. What next? Please tell me how to access the data using your emulator.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2010.February.10. 07:23:14
I choose "EP_640k_EXOS231_IDE_utils" as a configuration file (is this the only one with IDE?) after that "options - disk - configure - IDE " i put that large image file. What next? Please tell me how to access the data using your emulator.
Restart the emulated machine, Machine/Reset/Force reset
Then you see at the startup, the IDE ROM detect the disk. And in the Basic go to drive F:
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Nikitosina on 2010.February.10. 07:49:05
And in the Basic go to drive F:

:)
What i need to type to do so?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: geco on 2010.February.10. 08:24:28
:)
What i need to type to do so?

:F:

You can use DOS commands but you have to place : before the command.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Nikitosina on 2010.February.10. 08:41:54
:F:

You can use DOS commands but you have to place : before the command.

Thanks! I just need to type : before any command.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: geco on 2010.February.10. 08:52:46
Thanks! I just need to type : before any command.
Yes :)
You can check with :HELP command what kind of extensions are available, if you would like to activate one of the extensions then you have to type :"extension name" and it is activated
for example for EXDOS:
:EXDOS
afterwards each new line will start with : and do not have to type : . :)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2012.August.15. 10:50:31
Found some articles in magazine "Техника Молодежи" (Machinery to Youth|Technique of Youth).
TM 1991-05 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1991-05.djvu)
Poetry about home computer:
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Copying files on EP:
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TM 1991-08 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1991-08.djvu)
Describing EP:
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Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2012.August.15. 10:55:54
Great find, thanks!
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2012.August.15. 11:23:38
Interesting advertisement:
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"- REQUESTS SOFTWARE FOR ENTERPRISE 128 in separate cartridges: graphical editor ARTS, a word processor PALEX, a game cartridge SPECTRUM DIGEST, application PASMON cartridge with cassette applications (games, a technical description of the operating system in Russian and others). The cost of one cartridge (without cassette applications) 10 - 15$ in exchange for BASIC cartridge to receive a discount.
- REQUESTS SOFTWARE FOR ENTERPRISE 128 in Compact Cassettes and Floppies: games, programming languages, applications and system software (including a color Spectrum emulator SP 2.1 with gaming applications, crack for all common environments Enterprise, a graphical editor with a high resolution and a word processor RED 1.3 for multi-purpose word processing volume up to 57,000 characters and strings with a length of up to 152 characters)."


I don't hear about PALEX word processor.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2012.August.15. 11:34:14
Interesting advertisement:
This is from which magazine?

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"- REQUESTS FOR ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE 128 in separate cartridges: graphical editor ARTS, a word processor PALEX, a game cartridge SPECTRUM DIGEST, application PASMON cartridge with cassette applications (games, a technical description of the operating system in Russian and others). The cost of one cartridge (without cassette applications) 10 - 15$ in exchange for BASIC cartridge to receive a discount.
- REQUESTS FOR ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE TO 128 Compact Cassette and Floppy: games, programming languages, applications and system software (including a color converter Spectrum emulator SP 2.1 with gaming applications, crack for all common environments Enterprise, a graphical editor with a high resolution and a word processor RED 1.3 for multi-purpose word processing volume up to 57,000 characters and strings with a length of up to 152 characters)."


I don't hear about PALEX word processor.
We don't hear about all others! ARTS, PALEX, SPECTRUM DIGEST, PASMON, RED, etc...  :shock:
Now I think a lot of interesting things hiding in these countries!
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2012.August.15. 11:46:09
It's from TM too.

They sold EP at a price of 130$

Article about EP (Russian) (http://compmuseum.narod.ru/articles/enterpr64.html)
"After a while, completely Russified created a text editor, which was sold directly by editorial office of magazine for large enough at that time the price (about 8$). The latest information on the status of the computer, which I have, is with the 1993rd year. As I tried to find out more detail about how much of what and to whom it was sold to those who spread this computer in the Soviet Union, but almost nothing came of it. I learned only one thing - in 1989-1991 there was union of Enterprise computer users 64/128. It seems to be an association called the Club."
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2012.August.15. 22:54:51
TM 1990-08 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1990-08.djvu)
Simple BASIC program to convert machine code to assembler listing.
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TM 1991-04 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1991-04.djvu)
Program Graphcopy to print graphics on printer
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TM 1994-02 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1994-02.djvu)
Joystick and printer pinouts
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TM 1994-04 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1994-04.djvu)
About IS-FORTH
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TM 1994-07 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1994-07.djvu)
About IS-LISP
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TM 1994-08 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1994-08.djvu)
SCART pinouts
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TM 1995-01 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1995-01.djvu)
INPUT/OUTPUT PORTS (part 1)
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Article from Alexander Gusev (probably that Alex (http://enterpriseforever.com/other_topics/alexs_programs-t394.0.html))

TM 1995-02 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1995-02.djvu)
Music synthesizer on BASIC (Article from Alexander Gusev)
INPUT/OUTPUT PORTS (part 2)
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TM 1995-04 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1995-04.djvu)
About memory programming (Article from Alexander Gusev)
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TM 1995-05 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1995-05.djvu)
Procedures (Article from Alexander Gusev)
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TM 1995-08 (https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20472843/TM_1995-08.djvu)
Alternative printer driver (Article from Alexander Gusev)
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RUSSIAN EDITOR FOR THE ENTERPRISE
Club of electronic games for users Enterprise 128 offers a versatile russified word processor RED 1.1 for professional work with floppy and tape recorder.
Main features:
- The maximum amount of text you are editing - about 58 000 characters (33 standard typewritten pages);
- Speed limit set to 12 characters per second;
- Write and read text in a conventional alternative encoding IBM PC; switchable keyboard layout (QWERTY / ЯВЕРТЫ / ЙЦУКЕН); text format compatibility, and methods of working with him to the major professional text editors;
- The possibility of writing strings beyond the screen that allows you to create text documents with the number of characters in a line more than 78 (eg, for subsequent printing on a printer with a wide carriage);
- Quick calling of help tips in russian;
- When working with a floppy drive - automatically included in the configuration file monitor, called without resetting the edited text.
Along with the standard editorial functions (operations with a symbol, string, paragraph, file) the program provides the following service options:
- Writing main options on the magnetic disk when you exit the editor and self-adjustment when it is loaded;
- Autosave typed text on a magnetic disk by the agreed time of the beginning of a pause in the work (in the absence of the drive mode is switched off);
- Subsequent to this "blanking" of the screen - to extend the life of a cathode ray tube monitor (mode is saved and when working with a tape recorder);
as well as other amenities.

Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2012.August.16. 09:43:24
Many great finds again! Thanks!
Now we start remember back to the russian lessons in the school  :)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2012.August.16. 12:26:49
And I did not learn Hungarian.
I know only a few words (zárva; kutya; macska; botkormány).
But I would be very interesting to read Hungarian topics (Google Translate is very ugly, as you know).
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2012.August.16. 12:41:47
And I did not learn Hungarian.
If you can translate these to english then it is will be a great help!

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But I would be very interesting to read Hungarian topics (Google Translate is very ugly, as you know).
If you interested about anything in Hungarian topics just ask it! We will try to translate it to english.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2012.August.16. 13:29:56
If you can translate these to english then it is will be a great help!
I don't even know. :oops:
My english is very bEd. ;)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: MrPrise on 2012.August.16. 13:38:21
Nice articles (though I can only understand the images and the source code in them ;-)). Thanks for sharing them.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Bagpuss22 on 2012.August.16. 14:34:46
I will have to check BabelFish to see if they translate Russian or Hungarian.  :ds_icon_cheesygrin:

Just checked BING translator does both......!

Now to see if it works!
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2012.August.19. 15:49:47
In St. Petersburg, opened an exhibition of retro computers "Chaos Constructions 2012".
http://topspbtv.ru/news/news10161/ (ru)

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UPD:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=457090920977766
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=457091064311085
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2012.August.19. 16:18:18
Great!  :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2013.April.24. 12:51:02
Little offtopic:
Yet another nice reminder about Hungary.
Little handheld game. It still worked. Рresented on the Cosmonautics Day (April 12)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.09. 19:50:26
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Little bonus: his EP was ordered by advertisement in magazine "Юный техник" (Young Technician) in 1993. Manual on english. SN with additional label "QC passed:"
Wow! Very interesting: New EP-s sold in 1993! Can you find this advertisment?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.09. 20:18:42
I'll try to find.
Now I downloading magazines of those years.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: gflorez on 2014.March.09. 20:31:44
I've found this (http://publ.lib.ru/ARCHIVES/YU/''Yunyy_tehnik''/_''Yunyy_tehnik''_1993_.html), but Cyrillic is hard...
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: gflorez on 2014.March.09. 20:38:55
A free .DJVU viewer: here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/windjview/files/WinDjView/2.0.2/WinDjView-2.0.2-Setup.exe/download?use_mirror=netcologne)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: szipucsu on 2014.March.09. 21:04:32
Quote from: SlashNet
Little handheld game.
It would be quite easy to write EP games like this.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.09. 21:08:52
Quote from: gflorez
...Cyrillic is hard...
As for me, Magyar is harder. :)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.09. 21:18:13
Quote from: gflorez
Cyrillic is hard...
After about 8 years of mandatory Russian learning I can read the cyrillic letters :-) but can understood only very few words :-(
It today internet times I think why I'm not listen more at the Russian language hours? :oops:
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: gflorez on 2014.March.09. 21:37:47
Russian can be slightly comprehended for me if translated to Latin characters, but Magyar is on another league...
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.10. 16:46:26
Well, figured out ...
EP was ordered by advert in magazine "Техника-молодёжи", not "Юный техник" (many years had passed - memory is not perfect). It cost $130 (with payment in rubles at the exchange rate)

Translate it later:
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ТАЛОН ДЛЯ ОФОРМЛЕНИЯ ЗАКАЗА
Я хочу приобрести компьютер ENTERPRISE-128 английскогопроизводства в комплекте с кассетным магнитофоном, демонстрационной и игровой кассетами, картриджем с языком IS-BASIC и кратким описанием на русском языке по цене $130 за комплект (с оплатой в рублях по биржевому курсу), в количестве ......... комплектов.
 
Прошу оформить заказ на мое имя и адрес:
 (фамилия, имя, отчество полностью)
 (почтовый индекс и адрес без сокращений)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.10. 17:09:58
Thanks for dig out!

Very strange to see the Enterprise with cyrillic letters at the second column :-)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.10. 17:15:52
I looked the historical exchange rates on Hungarian National Bank page, the $130 about 12000 HUF at 1993.07.01. It is about 87 GBP.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.10. 18:07:07
$130 - 1996 year

Computer classes for schools:
 


Basic kit
 
For teacher:
1. ENTERPRISE 128 К         1 шт.
2. Color monitor 1 шт.
3. Printer 1 шт.
4. Floppy drive 5,25"(3,5") 1 шт.
5. Hard disk 20 MB (?)1 шт.
6. Cassette recorder 1 шт.
7. Joystick 1 шт.
  
For pupils:
1. ENTERPRISE 128 К 15 шт.
2. B/W monitor 15 шт.
3. Cassette recorder 15 шт.
Price:
7870$

Pedagogical kit
 
For teacher:1 шт.
1. ENTERPRISE 128 К 1 шт.
2. Color monitor 1 шт. 
3. Printer 3 шт. (?)
4. Floppy drive 5,25"(3,5") 1 шт.
5. Hard disk 20 MB (?)1 шт.
6. Cassette recorder 1 шт.
7. Joystick 1 шт.
For pupils:
1. ENTERPRISE 128 К 15 шт.
2. Color monitor 15 шт.
3. Floppy drive 5,25"(3,5") 15 шт.
4. Hard disk 20 MB (?)15 шт.
5. Cassette recorder 15 шт.
6. Joystick 15 шт.
 Price:
36200 $
 
 


Personal kits:
 
1. ENTERPRISE 128 К 1шт.
2. B/W monitor 1 шт.
3. Cassette recorder 1 шт.
 Price:
360 $
1. ENTERPRISE 128 К 1 шт.
2. B/W monitor 1 шт.
3. Floppy drive 5,25" 1 шт.
Price: 690 $

These prices are valid until 31 December 1991.


Why I don't add this info earlier? Don't know. :oops:
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.11. 09:45:43
Quote from: SlashNet
Computer classes for schools:
Amazing find! We know from a interview with director of the Hungarian Enterprise company: about 3000 machines sold to Soviet schools.
Can you ask in the russian forum: is anybody see these school Enterprises? Ok, I know the Soviet Union was a very-very big country, hard to find these schools.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.11. 11:35:39
I never heard about those schools.
http://habrahabr.ru/company/intel/blog/150837/   (rus)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.13. 11:12:11
"Good news, everyone!" :)
Enterprise owner, who bought computer in ex-Soviet, found "quick setup" manual on Russian:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20472843/Ent_man_TM.rar
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.13. 11:37:54
Quote from: SlashNet
Enterprise owner, who bought computer in ex-Soviet, found "quick setup" manual on Russian:
Amazing find! Thanks!
He is have a EP64 or Ep128?
Just because the manual say "1984 Intelligent Software Ltd" at startup screen which is valid for EP64, EP128 say 1985.
But also possible the translator use text from the first release of english manual and just copied the text.

Can he remember, the Demo cassette are original English, or localized to Russian?
The machine have a Russian rom like the German machines?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.13. 11:40:11
EP128

It ordinary english version (manual, demo cassette - all in English). On Russian - only this mini manual.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.14. 14:51:48
Quote from: SlashNet
One member, from zx.pk.ru forum
I found the thread (http://zx.pk.ru/showthread.php?t=16850), trying to read with google translate :oops:

Somebody asked about the enterprise.8bit.hu, the actual version at http://ep.homeserver.hu/ (http://ep.homeserver.hu/) and also mirrored at http://gafz.enterpriseforever.com/ (http://gafz.enterpriseforever.com/)
I also can recommend my page for a lot of scanned books, magazines, documents, etc: http://enterprise.iko.hu/ (http://enterprise.iko.hu/)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.14. 15:13:33
Now I'm collecting (not very fast) information to make FAQ about EP (Russian only).
All links will be added.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.14. 21:50:08
I see some talking about the Autofire, it is a question how can work with the Enterprise?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.15. 11:31:36
Not understand the question. Are you interested in the scheme? Or there is any doubt that it will work at EP?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2014.March.15. 12:30:05
The standard joysticks with Autofire (for example QuickShot II) don't work with Enterprise when using simple wired joystick interface (just the AutoFire not works).
I thought there is the question: how possible to work with Enterprise.
a) modify the joystick, replace the cable with direct Enterprise cable, and adding transistor to the Autofire circuit.
b) build a active joystick adapter (originaly developed by BoxSoft), which can work with any joysticks
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2014.March.15. 12:39:19
in my case it will be "a)"

UPD: and where i can read about this active joy adaptor?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2015.May.28. 15:27:54
I made a translation of article with competition in magazine "Техника - молодёжи".
Who can give answers for all questions? :)

DOZEN COMPUTERS – FOR BEST ANSWER!
Magazine "Техника – молодежи"
together with the firm Enterprise Computers GmbH
announce a competition:
"5 x 8" or "Questionnaire of Mr. Enterprise"


 Dear admirers of computing! For you, valiant knights of "smart" electronics, give the opportunity to show off knowledge, and at the same time ... to win the object of the passion, saving several thousand of rubles earned by the sweat. To do this need just to win a duel with a worthy opponent - but not with some kind of the mythical Hydra, and with our very real Questionnaire. Which is not simple - five chapters, with eight toothed questions each! We assume that some of them you will not be able to overcome. Do not despair! Even if you have coped only with the half job - in any case send your answers to the editorial office of "TM" with the note "For the competition" 5 x 8 ". But hurry: emails sent (according to the stamp on the envelope) later than 30 April of this year [1992] will not be considered.
 The winners will be rewarded according to merit!
 First prize - a personal computer in configuration:
  • Enterprise 128k
  • color video monitor
  • floppy disk drive controller
  • Printer
 Second prize - PC including:
  • Enterprise 128k
  • color video monitor
  • floppy disk drive controller
 Third prize - PC in configuration:
  • Enterprise 128k
  • Monochrome display
  • floppy disk drive controller
 Three prizes for fourth place, each prize - PC including:
  • Enterprise 128k
  • Monochrome display
  • cassette recorder
 Six prizes for the fifth result:
  • Enterprise 128k complete with a cassette recorder
 38 incentive prizes:
  • microcalculator
 And also - souvenirs: pens, lighters, stickers.
 All computers russified and with software.
 Good luck in the fight against the five-domed Questionnaire!

Chapter One is quite harmless. Short biography.
1. Mr. personal computer named Enterprise... Where did he come from? His age?
2. Which company and when developed the basic system software?
3. Decode, translate and explain the abbreviation GmbH in the name of the manufacturer.
4. Who represents their interests in our country?
5. What are the two basic models of the Enterprise you know and how do they differ?
6. In a which number of "TM" the computer for the first time mentioned?
7. In which countries it is most prevalent?
8. This question we give in two versions:
a) For owners of Enterprise: How do you use your computer?
b) For those who wishing to purchase Enterprise: What are the problems you hope to solve with it? Which original non-standard work you would offer him?

Chapter Two, a little bloodthirsty. Special peculiarities. Temperament
1. If the black colour of Mr. Enterprise does not mean its African origin, then in what business here?
2. Heart of the Enterprise - what kind of and how fast beats?
3. In what the main likeness of the Enterprise, Spectrum, Atari, Commodore?
4. To what extent are compatible Mr. Enterprise and Mrs. IBM PC?
5. How many segments of RAM can be simultaneously connected to the microprocessor of the Enterprise? Why is that?
6. Which segments are reserved for video memory in the Enterprise-128?
7. What determines its performance?
8. Mr. Enterprise the true toiler: when it works, to it becomes hot. Whether there is a communication between high-speed performance of the computer with traditional element basis and heat which it emits?

Chapter Three, a toothy. External аffairs
1. Under what conditions can be used Enterprise with the domestically produced color TV as a monitor?
2. The floppy-drive is connected to the Enterprise directly, "end-to-end". What gives?
3. Than a micro-diskette (3,5 inches) is better than mini-diskettes (5,25 inches)?
4. How to empirically determine the connector pin assignments for connecting a printer with parallel interface?
5. To what limits is possible to expand the Enterprise RAM? Why no more?
6. How would you define the capacity of the I/O buffer when the computer works with a tape recorder?
7. How to make information exchange between Enterprise and IBM PC, without using external drives?
8. How to read on a computer that is running with MS-DOS, russian text written on Enterprise (and vice versa)?

Chapter Four, more toothy. Means of communication
1. With what operating systems works Enterprise?
2. Whose recommendations were considered by the IS-BASIC developers?
3. You work in the environment of IS-BASIC in text mode. Specify all known methods of cleaning your screen.
4. Why in the TEXT 80 mode it is impossible to display the symbol occupying all character location in width?
5. What (approximately) volume of EDITOR device buffer in the built-in text editor WORD PROCESSOR (WP)?
6. WP allows you to save(write) text in two ways: in the SAVE mode and PRINT mode. What is the difference?
7. In CP/M system the type of the file is defined by extension of his name (.COM, .SYS, .BAT, etc.). How differ files in EXOS system?
8. What is a "system call"? How it is implemented in systems CP/M and EXOS?

Chapter Five, the most ferocious. Invitation to dialogue
1. Necessary to transform (by elementary method) the straight font for output to display in italic. Give the appropriate algorithm.
2. Make the most high-speed program (or at least algorithm) for russifications of the Enterprise.
3. What effect will the incorrect exit from the block DEF, that is, the transition is not to the end of the block (END DEF), and on the line beyond, during operation the BASIC program, repeatedly using this block? Explain the situation mechanism.
4. Write on the Assembler (or in machine codes) the subprogramme of output of byte on the parallel interface of the printer with use of a system call of CP/M or EXOS.
5. Do the same – for sequence of bytes (for example, string), but already with a direct call the appropriate subprogramme of the OS.
6. Describe the short, but "cunning" algorithm found you allowing to reach unexpected effect in game or application-oriented the BASIC programs.
7. What is necessary for further promoting of the Enterprise in our country?
8. Invent the bright, memorable motto for advertizing of this computer.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2015.May.28. 16:04:01
:smt038

The answares come in the next magazine? :-)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2015.May.28. 17:20:19
No :(
Unfortunatly, answers wasn't published. Only results.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2015.May.28. 18:31:58
Unfortunatly, answers wasn't published. Only results.
Is anyone got the first prize? :-)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2015.May.29. 13:01:20
Of course. :)
Later they simplified a task and didn't consider some questions.

You can read (googletranslated) about it here (https://sites.google.com/site/enterprise128k/home/internet-obzor/articles/tm-1992-08) and here (https://sites.google.com/site/enterprise128k/home/internet-obzor/articles/tm-1992-11).

I OCR-ed all articles and later I will add them on the site, that it was possible to read them at least using online translator.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2015.May.29. 13:19:51
Great!

Can you also send the original pages? As I see some are new find, we don't have in the articles collection. (http://enterprise.iko.hu/articles.htm)
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2015.May.29. 13:42:06
OK.
I'll send you archive with all pages at the evening.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2015.May.29. 13:42:59
OK.
I'll send you archive with all pages at the evening.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2015.May.29. 22:55:44
Some interesting screenshots:
LORIGRAPH-94
loriciels+Palex(ROM)

Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Tuby128 on 2015.September.06. 22:49:19
I found a youtube video about the ENTERPRISE computer. It was made па руский (in russian).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi7LuxL5mHQ
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: szipucsu on 2015.September.10. 12:35:22
I found a youtube video about the ENTERPRISE computer. It was made па руский (in russian).
I have already linked it. I preferred the part after loading and runnung "fur_elise.bas", I just don't see the sense. :D
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2016.February.07. 19:20:11
I remembered that once sent the mini review of the Enterprise to the competition "The Oldest Personal Computer". I won nothing, but it was all the same very pleasant to me to participate. To all participants was sent calendars, but I didn't receive anything.
I had an issue of the magazine, but unfortunately, now I can't find it. I found only the scan not in the best quality.
That Ukrainian weekly magazine has name "Мой Компьютер" ("My computer").
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2016.February.07. 19:46:23
The photo is the your Enterprise?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2016.February.07. 20:05:17
Of course. :)
Original photo I still have.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2016.August.31. 15:07:03
I'll send you archive with all pages at the evening.
It was my very old debts :oops:
Added all to Russian articles collection. (http://enterprise.iko.hu/articles_ru.htm) (Now I divided the articles (http://enterprise.iko.hu/articles.htm) section by languages)
Also added HTML links to your page for the OCR-ed versions.
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2016.August.31. 19:53:59
:smt023
Do You plan to add articles from magazines on english and german, links to which I sent to you?
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2016.August.31. 20:19:01
Do You plan to add articles from magazines on english and german, links to which I sent to you?
It is already in progress :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: SlashNet on 2017.July.09. 15:44:40
Another one video (unpacking) on russian (from that guy (https://enterpriseforever.com/for-sale/ebay-auctions/msg63926/#msg63926)): https://youtu.be/KnNeGecZSXw

He planned make video about EP128 (he has many machines).
And, as I understand, theese computers was intended for school classes in Almaty (but they originaly english).
Title: Re: Enterprise in the ex-Soviet countries
Post by: Zozosoft on 2017.July.09. 17:21:24
Another one video (unpacking) on russian (from that guy (https://enterpriseforever.com/for-sale/ebay-auctions/msg63926/#msg63926)): https://youtu.be/KnNeGecZSXw
071020, it is already sold on Ebay, bought by Hungarian friend :-)
Now 071022 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Enterprise-64-computer-sixty-four-near-mint-and-boxed-/142438794375) on the Ebay.

He is also have the 071021? :-)

Quote
And, as I understand, theese computers was intended for school classes in Almaty (but they originaly english).
I also guess this.
He is not have the other accessories? For example the hard disk units for the teacher computers?