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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #75 on: 2019.March.23. 16:44:56 »
I am on an intermediate scale.... I can't play an instrument, but on the other side I am very intersted on music, even more on MIDI for its robotic behaviour.

I have the gear, I can test the card, but surely szipucsu can enjoy it more than me....

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #76 on: 2019.March.23. 17:04:39 »
I would be more interested in lighting control for music, i.e. DMX interface.
However, since it never existed in the Enterprise, it would be necessary to write software from scratch.

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #77 on: 2019.March.23. 17:47:02 »
I don't have DMX gear. It seems that it uses the same protocol, so with a MIDI channel you can control the lights.  Probably you don't need more software than the MIDI sequencer.
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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #78 on: 2019.March.24. 17:39:31 »
Unfortunately, I do not have any instrument or MIDI keyboard for testing.
I have a synthesizer (from Apuci), I hope it can play music from EP :-)
« Last Edit: 2019.March.24. 18:02:36 by szipucsu »

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #79 on: 2019.March.24. 19:22:37 »
If the MIDI songs for the cartridge where made for a Roland MT32 as you have written, is possible that it wouldn't sound the same on a GM1(General Midi 1), Roland GS(General Standard), Yamaha XG(eXtended General standard), and finally GM2(General Midi 2).

The MT32 was launched on 1987, a lot of time before the GM1 standard on 1991. Roland GS was launched later on the same year(SC55), and was GM1 compliant, but added a lot of non standard features. Yamaha decided to launch the  XG standard on 1995, it was a conglomerate, with even the option to switch from the basic GM1 to  Roland GS mode and the, for me, superior XG mode.

GM2 was established on 1999 and ended with the MIDI standards "war", adopting some of the Roland only or Yamaha only specifications.

The problem is, the MT32 has the instruments and some controllers on other positions than the GM, so the songs can sound "strange"... But the songs can be re-arranged to sound correctly on a sequencer.

Of course you can opt to buy an original MT32 synthesizer to ear the songs, but the bad new is that the MIDI gear doesn't drop prices with the years, what I can't understand.
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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #80 on: 2019.March.24. 20:05:18 »
Additionally, I have found that some of the earlier Roland Sound Canvas had a MT32 mode, so it is possible to have GM1, GS and MT32 modes in the same gear.


Edit: according to the Sound Canvas Wiki, the Roland SC55 was able to partially emulate  the MT32, and only by rearranging the order of the instruments.

Also, on the MT32 wiki page they talk about ways to emulate the MT32 along the years, including a soft synthesizer made by Roland themselves.
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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #81 on: 2019.March.26. 06:22:52 »
Unfortunately, I do not have any instrument or MIDI keyboard for testing.
I can also try using an external MIDI keyboard :)

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #82 on: 2019.March.26. 06:42:06 »
There are 10 pieces of PCBs in production.
I'll let you know when the first interface is ready.

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #83 on: 2019.March.26. 10:59:50 »
Great!

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #84 on: 2019.March.26. 19:33:20 »
I bought a used Casio CTK-671 keyboard for 80 EUR for testing with the interface :cool:

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #85 on: 2019.March.26. 21:01:50 »
Not so bad.

I have searched about it on the net. It is at least GM1, as can be seen on this video. There are  a lot of links to download a manual, even the service manual, but probably not in polish.....

According to its Midi implementation chart, it can send and receive almost all the most used MIDI messages, so it will serve you for the test.

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #86 on: 2019.March.27. 14:15:00 »
For the purpose of testing Scoretrack, you only need some hardware that can play MIDI output sent by the cartridge, even an old PC sound card could work with an adapter. There is currently no software on the Enterprise that can use input from this card.

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #87 on: 2019.March.27. 14:43:31 »
I bought a used Casio CTK-671 keyboard for 80 EUR for testing with the interface :cool:
Oh, I have exactly the same keyboard :-)
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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #88 on: 2019.March.27. 18:11:07 »
There is currently no software on the Enterprise that can use input from this card.

OK, I know, but we can read at least the input activity to know if the MIDI IN works. I made a simple Basic program to test the MSX Philips Music Module. I was able to read some input, but of course, Basic is slow to save all the stream.

I used IN() statements, now we would use SPEEK().

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Re: Enterprise MIDI hardware
« Reply #89 on: 2019.March.28. 06:18:33 »
PCB boards on the way.