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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #225 on: 2015.April.22. 00:20:26 »
Nice find! I will look at the partialy dead mouse that you sent me!
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #226 on: 2015.April.22. 00:48:42 »
I said you, it can be only misalignment of the diodes and receptors... I followed the same steps, tested the diodes with my phone's camera, but for my Neos mouse tests I needed a working one.

My experiments are like banging my head against the wall, my head always is harder...

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #227 on: 2015.April.22. 22:27:32 »
Here are two evidences that the Commodore 1350 mouse and maybe some of the first 1351 are Neos mouses in other housings.

One of them is in this web page:  Translated to English and in Spanish.                

The translated page doesn't lets download the very big pictures(limitations of Google translator).

Observe the size of the plastic of that connector. Inside the mouse is a Neos chip MB88201, but in the underside  of the board it has cuts on some tracks and added four leads that take the direct readings to the D9 connector.

Can it be a retrofitting  at factory? It is a 1350 or a 1351? The first is always in joystick mode and the second  has the option if you press the left button while connecting, like the MSX mouse and the Neos, but is not tested in the web page.


The other is inside a web page  that I brought here on a previous post.

Observe the same odd shape connector, and here you can see the sticker with no model  nor "Made in", but serial number begining with YQ. Inside the same Neos chip, but alas, no underside view. Fortunately the owner has tested it only works in joystick mode, so it is definitely a 1350.

The main-boards are exactly the same as the Neos mouse, so can be that removing the leads and re-welding the cooper tracks they end being  Neos mouses....

To probe it I've bought on Ebay one mouse exactly like those, but must wait to test this.
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #228 on: 2015.April.24. 21:34:56 »
Another Neos mouse but this time for Pc with serial connection.

The housing is the same but the board inside is different. It also has the typical MB88201 chip but may be with different firmware to work with serial.

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #229 on: 2015.April.28. 12:24:15 »
I received this today, an unusual  FM Towns Marty mouse.

It has the MB88201 chip inside. It works as a MSX mouse as it also inverts the STROBE signal with a transistor(TR1) and resistor(R3) .

I like the black ball.
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #230 on: 2015.April.28. 12:41:51 »
Sorry this picture doesn't show the component's part due to glare, but they are those at the right side.

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #231 on: 2015.April.30. 11:10:14 »
Look at this trackball. The design is similar to the Enterprise's but in clear plastic.

It was a serial one but I've adapted the electronics of a two buttons PS/2 mouse. It still has space to put the Arduino Nano converter inside.

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #232 on: 2015.April.30. 11:56:49 »
Dear Mr. Gflores,


 why is your green buttons so shiny? Are they custom-made keys?
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« Reply #233 on: 2015.April.30. 13:45:13 »
Long time ago the letters were fading so I applied  a varnish to protect them . It also served to fix the Castilian signs (Spanish) I have glued on some keys....

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #234 on: 2015.April.30. 14:27:54 »
It was long before that I found this web page. My father bought me the EP for printing the bills of his business. I had a Riteman+ printer(Epson) and that keys on the WP where equivalent to the Castilian symbols once printed. So I created my own character set. I loaded it every session, from tape of course. At that time I though I was the only one neglected Enterprise owner in Spain.... A situation similar to you the Magyar users...

Then the Amiga computer (with floppy) appeared, and my EP was forgotten some....

But this little computer had brought to me more satisfactions than Amigas or PC,s, so here I am again.




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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #235 on: 2015.April.30. 15:53:43 »
I dont't know the Espanol Situation that time, Espania was not on the side of the Soviets, I guess there was no COCOM list so you could buy any computer you want. (Of course if you have the money for that.)
 The time of the Enterprise (1985) there was the chance to buy a Amiga 1000 computer, with sophisticated Motorola 68000 CPU, which already 16 bit capable, and the graphics performance was really impressive. According to my friends, this computer was really popular in west-germany. Unfortunately in the East (like Hungary) we couldn't buy such computers, because the CPU was on the COCOM list, that means, we coudn't import that.
 Note: This list was good for the western Companys, because of the list, the unsuccessful and overproduced computers and parts could be sold later in East Europe.
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #236 on: 2015.April.30. 18:33:18 »
In Spain, although the dictatorship had passed ten years by the 1985, high tariffs on imports remained, so the situation was similar.

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #237 on: 2015.May.07. 12:02:03 »
At last I got the Commodore 1350 mouse... It has an unmodified Neos-Mitshumi board inside(no cuts on tracks nor welded leads), but until evening I can't test it on the Boxsoft.

I must first test the pins if the signals are in the same position.  This mouse works only in joystick mode, so it must have a modification to have the left button pressed at connecting time, I guess.


Which where first, Neos mice or C64 mice?


The shape of the case is of a regular Commodore tank stile. Here you have some pictures to compare it with the real Neos:



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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #238 on: 2015.May.07. 12:12:16 »
In a preliminary view I've seen that STROBE is unconnected...

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #239 on: 2015.May.07. 12:36:39 »
In a preliminary view I've seen that STROBE is unconnected...
Probably it only works in joystick mode?
« Last Edit: 2015.May.09. 19:31:51 by szipucsu »