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BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« on: 2014.September.23. 12:49:02 »
Sorry for intruding(I was spying with Google Translator...), but it would be interesting someone with a Box-soft mouse would try the new previously unknown driver, MOUSE.XR version 1.1.

As I've read in that mentioned thread, it seems the interface is pure simplicity, but the mouse itself is a rare early NEC brand and was first adapted to C64 by a second party company. Its protocol has some resemblance, but incompatible, to the Commodore official  who was the Atari, Amiga, etc, joystick port, and so it isn't serial as Mészáros's mouse card.


I have found one Neos Mouse in Amazon and will receive it on Wednesday, then I will compare inside the Amiga and Neos mouses...
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #1 on: 2014.September.23. 13:03:29 »
Note, I've only purchased the mouse, it lacks the interface...

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #2 on: 2014.September.24. 10:36:46 »
It seems that  Amiga mouses could be modded to be Neos compatible, as this Norwegian Guy claims to have made the opposite way in a far far past and he doesn't remember how...

The connector pins for  the Amiga are soldered directly to the D/A chip, so can be Neos uses few more components(discrete) discarded for the modification.

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #3 on: 2014.September.24. 11:57:08 »
The common Amiga Mouse has only two components, a NEC c339c and a condenser. But this is of the year 1992(Amiga 3000), and it could have some components integration. I have some old type ones(Amiga 500) with a look like the Neos. I must find them.
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #4 on: 2014.September.25. 11:08:13 »
The Amiga 500 mouse has one similar chip than the A3000's, the  CA339, but a lot of resistors.

I've read on some Amiga Blog that the designers of the Amiga 1000(before Comodore bought the firm) modified some cheap Neos mouses to work with their project...

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #5 on: 2014.September.25. 11:59:02 »
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It seems that  Amiga mouses could be modded to be Neos compatible,
I do not understand what you would like to point to with these things ...
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #6 on: 2014.September.25. 12:54:41 »
I want to make a Box-soft interface, as i have found a Neos mouse, but I want to spread the project to all who want it. "New" EGI from Nick seems to be  cool with a mouse, and Neos mouses are scarcer and more expensive than Amiga mouses. The serial interface is out of my bound for now...

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #7 on: 2014.September.25. 13:24:09 »
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I want to make a Box-soft interface, as i have found a Neos mouse, but I want to spread the project to all who want it. "New" EGI from Nick seems to be  cool with a mouse, and Neos mouses are scarcer and more expensive than Amiga mouses. The serial interface is out of my bound for now...
Yes, it is cool. Somewhere I predicted coming of mouse interfaces when I saw the EGI ...

You think that you could build the hardware devices for who would like a boxsoft interface ?
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #8 on: 2014.September.25. 17:22:01 »
I'm just a fan of electronics, not a professional, but this scheme seems very simple, I've built things more difficult, but always following some scheme made from a expert.


I plan to build one for me and then, if it works,(very  important....) I will spread the information here.

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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #9 on: 2014.September.27. 22:00:44 »
There is photos of the original interface:
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #10 on: 2014.September.27. 22:53:26 »
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"New" EGI from Nick seems to be  cool with a mouse, and Neos mouses are scarcer and more expensive than Amiga mouses.
I simply did not find a single NEOS mouse ...

But if somebody could make an amiga mouse to neos mouse converter,
then I think we could use an arbitrary usb PC mouse with a converter like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commodore-Amiga-PC-Mouse-Adapter-/141272136633?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item20e479bbb9

So that would be very cool, if I could use my wireless PC mouses with EP ... :)
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #13 on: 2014.September.27. 23:16:13 »
We have to have an amiga mouse to NEOS mouse converter ... :)

But maybe that would be better having a direct device taking an amiga mouse for input, and serve the boxsoft's mouse interface's signals as its output ...
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Re: BoxSoft Mouse Interface
« Reply #14 on: 2014.September.29. 19:21:52 »
My Neos Mouse arrived today.

Seems it isn't so simple. Here are the two views of the  inner plate.

To convert it to Amiga  is only necessary disconnect the cables from the internal connector and solder the 1, 2, 3 and 4 pins of the sub-d connector directly to the 11, 13, 12 and 14 pins(respectively) of the MB88201 chip.

Modding one Amiga mouse to be a Neos mouse could(?) be made replicating the circuit from the pins of the chip to the internal connector, I though. But somebody more expert than me must do the search and find the differences....