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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #345 on: 2015.November.21. 12:59:15 »
I checked. You can read all the buttons from SEGA pad - Start, A, B, C, X, Y, Z.
The program, which I showed earlier, however, has a problem and does not read the directions (without a running program directions are correct).
It is possible that there is a problem in communicating the results from the assembler procedure to BASIC.
Or just something I messed up :)
Software I leave to others, and at that time I'll deal with something more useful ;)

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #346 on: 2015.November.21. 14:06:19 »
If you connect a SEGA pad directly to the joystick port, it can actually end up being a disaster.
What could happen exactly?

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #347 on: 2015.November.21. 14:17:14 »
I do not know I have not tried :)
Depending on the quality of pad are three possibilities:
1. pad breaking down (gets + 5V on the SELECT line with no powered cicuit);
2. will short-circuit in the joystick port;
3. or nothing will happen if the pad is well designed and producer foresaw this situation.
It is safe to assume the worst possibility.

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #348 on: 2015.November.21. 14:50:23 »
EnterMice is ready.
I sent PM with the information to all, who have booked interfaces with the first batch.

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #349 on: 2015.November.21. 15:51:53 »
Enterlmice doesn't autofires, but is totally compatible with joysticks that have that feature. Is very easy to make a circuit for that.

Also, more new joystick buttons doesn't imply better playability on older games. They must be converted first.

For me the main goal of Entermice is to spread a mouse standard, it really works!

But it has opened other posibilities that will be explored on time....

I think is very early to talk about the limits of the interface. Please wait until you receive it. Load the EGI or SymbOS and you will ejoy it's smoth movement...

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #350 on: 2015.November.21. 16:27:53 »
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Each interface EnterMice can use the adapter SEGA.

Okay, it is cool, I misunderstood this yesterday, because of this:
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This is your set.

My bad, sorry for the missunderstanding.

But (how you can see from the post of Jolaes76, too) if there would be games using multibutton controllers (and the sega is probably the widest available multibutton thingy),
those who have entermice (probably) would like to give it a try ...

So EP lives in the emulator mostly ... but there are some active real-steal EPs in the wild, some hundred maybe, nobody knows,
and some of their owners are interested in hw gadgets and expansions, and they use things like your EnterMice, SzörG's SD cartridge or Saint's internal memory stuff.
So it is a very limited number of EPs, but If somebody already GOT an EnterMice instance, (I think only) probably they will get a sega conroller ASAP,
when (or if) a sega controller using game will be available ...

So, if you could make it possible the ordering the sega extension for the EnterMice, that would be the clean solution, because most of the people cannot even assembly that, and for those who can do it, it is simply easier to order one than assembling.

ONLY IF you would bother with this, maybe you could ask first the forum here, who would like to get that for the price you could bother with that.
And in that case I'm wrong, and only a few of the EnterMice owners will be interested in the sega converter, you can drop the bothering with it, still.


But, of course, if the sega converter is out of the scope of the "official" EnterMice and remains an optional extension of the EnterMice assembled by the EnterMice's owners,
that will not be the end of the world, still ... :)
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #351 on: 2015.November.21. 16:34:34 »
You say, you have :)
I order the PCBs for adapters together with a next batch of PCBs to EnterMice.

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #352 on: 2015.November.21. 16:49:23 »
Cool. Do we sign for these now, or will that be a later time ?
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #353 on: 2015.November.21. 17:00:56 »
That was fast :)

Even if it does not directly support autofire, I am still interested in the Entermice.
For 2 good ol' EP128 machines  I will need 2 EnterMice adapters and 4 SEGA adapters...



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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #354 on: 2015.November.21. 17:09:05 »

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Even if it does not directly support autofire, I am still interested in the Entermice.

Yes, there are many sega compatible controllers with autofire on e-bay ... with many switches and potentiometers manipulating the signals of the fire, what switches EnterMice do not own ...

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For 2 good ol' EP128 machines  I will need 2 EnterMice adapters and 4 SEGA adapters ...

But in this, I'm not sure ... maybe I'm wrong again, but probably EnterMice can handle only one sega controller, at once ...

Is not it true, pear ?
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #355 on: 2015.November.21. 17:24:45 »
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but probably EnterMice can handle only one sega controller, at once ...

But with directions and one fire button mode (without the other buttons) maybe two of them are possible ... pear can tell it ...
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #356 on: 2015.November.21. 17:35:23 »
You can connect two adapters (for both joystick ports).
They will have a common signal SELECT, so you can read both pads simultaneously.
For starters I'll order 50 PCBs.
The process of manufacturing and shipping last a little time (about a month).

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #357 on: 2015.November.21. 17:52:40 »
Great news!

We shall spread the word.
SEGA controllers are a good choice, they were legendary in their day, some of them almost indestructible...
It is no wonder they are still being sold in big numbers.
Many EP games are just destined to be played with such a good gamepad (expect for those which rely too much on NE, NW, SW, SE directions)
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #358 on: 2015.November.21. 18:02:42 »
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You can connect two adapters (for both joystick ports).
They will have a common signal SELECT, so you can read both pads simultaneously.

Okay,
so with a one (or even two) fire button way two of the sega controllers will work simultaneously,
even with the currently available softwares and games.
What is great and is simply enough in the most of the usual cases.



But with the select line we can reach more buttons of each of the controller(s).
But currently there is only one z80 controllable select line available on the EnterMice, isn't it ?
(No, I'm not unsatisfied, just I would like to know the details.)

However ... if somebody really wants to do simultaneously two sega controllers with all of their buttons (nobody will :)) ... he could give select from (for example) the paralell port of the EP to the sega controllers ... or couldn't he ?
Maybe are the printer port lines 5V instead of 12V ?
Maybe could we wire the printer port signals more directly to the converter ? Of course, it is out of the scope of the EnterMice, I only ask.
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #359 on: 2015.November.21. 18:10:11 »
Why waste your printer port, when EnterMice is already connected to the serial port and has a free pin to use ?
It does not really matter whether there will be + 5V or + 12V.
Additional wire in the adapter responds only on connect to ground (0V).
IMO one common signal SELECT is enough for both pads.