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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #330 on: 2015.November.20. 20:09:14 »
@Z80System: This is your set. Adapter for you as free. In return for a good idea :)
It is not hard to do. The parts are readily available. Piecing it took me a little over half an hour. Do not make me do wholesale :)

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #331 on: 2015.November.20. 20:34:58 »
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This is your set.

Oh ... I thought it will be a more general thing ...

Not the sega converter itself, but the capability of EnterMice handling the sega thing ...
So if there would be games handling the sega thing, everybody with an EnterMice could be able to get a sega converter easilly ...

EnterMice is a more complex thing (with the mouse and even the joy emu) like some "button", but how it seems,
it will be available with enough instance by you, and it will "stand up" some kind of "standard".

In the mouse perspective, it uses an older standard, but sega controllers had no standard on the enterprise formerly ...
and EnterMice (because of the number of the instances available) could be able to stand that standard up ... :)

But (how I understand you) it will not ... too much ... will it ?



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Adapter for you as free. In return for a good idea :)


Backing to the current instance of the sega converter: do as you wish, but (in this case) I definetly would be able to assembly an instance of it by myself, so it is not a requirement ...
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #332 on: 2015.November.20. 21:01:04 »
I see some anxiety in your comment ?
Half a year is really not a lot of time to design, manufacture and test a completely new device.
At the moment it is ready 20 pieces interfaces.
It will definitely be another 30 new ones.
Will there be more ? I do not know.
That depends on whether there is demand.

SEGA adapter is a simple and effective interface extension.
There isn't, probably, an easier way.

Besides, this is not my last word.
Now I have device already tested mechanical, electrical and software.
Already I'm thinking about the next version of the interface.
I do not want to write yet about the details, but it is in these plans also support USB mouse.

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #333 on: 2015.November.20. 21:28:58 »
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I see some anxiety in your comment ?

No, you probably see only, that I cannot speak english well ... :)

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At the moment it is ready 20 pieces interfaces.
It will definitely be another 30 new ones.

As far as I know, these are "big" numbers in the enterprise universe ... Probably we could not count enterprises with these numbers ... Or, at least, we could not count the double of it ...

In theory, there are ten tousands of the enterprises ... but nobody knows where those are ...

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SEGA adapter is a simple and effective interface extension.
There isn't, probably, an easier way.

Maybe I lost the point now or in the previous posts ... Will all the EnterMices be extendable with the sega adapter,
or only my EnterMice is hacked to be extendable with the sega adapter ?

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I do not want to write yet about the details, but it is in these plans also support USB mouse.

Wow ... I tried to make some research with the USB anno, and there was one or two libraries I could use for that with an MCU board,
but I did not find an appropriate premade MCU board, what is fast, little, has many GPIO and USB on it, and cheap, at once ... So I gave up that ...

But then, I remark you a thing ... this definetly has a few button on it ... :) :

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/controllers/elite-wireless-controller
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #334 on: 2015.November.20. 21:43:54 »
As far as I know, these are "big" numbers in the enterprise universe ... Probably we could not count enterprises with these numbers ... Or, at least, we could not count the double of it ...
Not everyone needs to be willing to have EnterMice.
There are many "collectors" who keep the EP in boxes in the attic, just to have it.
Maybe I lost the point now or in the previous posts ... Will all the EnterMices be extendable with the sega adapter,
or only my EnterMice is hacked to be extendable with the sega adapter ?
Each interface EnterMice can use the adapter SEGA.
In the current batch, if someone is going to need, you need to add only one pin for connecting the SELECT signal.
The next batch of PCBs has already prepared a standard connector.
Wow ... I tried to make some research with the USB anno, and there was one or two libraries I could use for that with an MCU board,
but I did not find an appropriate premade MCU board, what is fast, little, has many GPIO and USB on it, and cheap, at once ... So I gave up that ...
I considered support USB using a normal MCU that is already in EnterMice.
Unfortunately, the protocol is too complex to handle it only by software.
There are MCU which are adapted to support USB by hardware. There is a large choice of MCU.
But then, I remark you a thing ... this definetly has a few button on it ... :) :
What will you do with so many buttons ? :shock:

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #335 on: 2015.November.20. 21:57:24 »
We are mixing things. I think Pear is talking about a future USB mice interface, not strictly for controllers.

We must have hope that the base of Entermice owners will grow and grow, but first let's wait to the release....

I think, Pear has opened us a variety of posibilities. Nobody will need to know how works inside the interface to appreciate its benefits.

He is compromised with Ep development, mainly just because he enjoys doing it. But what he doesn't need is pesimism, better encouragements.


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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #336 on: 2015.November.20. 22:07:30 »
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What will you do with so many buttons ? :shock:

Probably nothing ... but I'm crazy in some way for the idea of an "ideal" EP configuration ... without the hardware imperfections of the original one, in its time ...

And (of course) I'm keep wondering and dreaming of some entertaining software using that ideal configuration ... :)

Maybe one time, there will be someone making a few of it ...

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #337 on: 2015.November.20. 22:11:32 »
We are mixing things. I think Pear is talking about a future USB mice interface, not strictly for controllers.
Why not ? Mouse or controller, that's all HID class devices (Human Interface Devices). The keyboard also.

Let's give the first batch of EnterMice. Can we ?

Probably nothing ... but I'm crazy in some way for the idea of an "ideal" EP configuration ... without the hardware imperfections of the original one, in its time ...
And (of course) I'm keep wondering and dreaming of some entertaining software using that ideal configuration ... :)
Maybe one time, there will be someone making a few of it ...
Do not forget that this is still an 8-bit computer.
Zozo can not tweak EP clock forever :)

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #338 on: 2015.November.20. 22:30:01 »
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We are mixing things. I think Pear is talking about a future USB mice interface, not strictly for controllers.

Of course ... but in the USB realm, there are controllers, too ... :)

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There are many "collectors" who keep the EP in boxes in the attic, just to have it.

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We must have hope that the base of Entermice owners will grow and grow, but first let's wait to the release....

These are interesting thoughts ! Let it be ! :)

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I think, Pear has opened us a variety of posibilities. Nobody will need to know how works inside the interface to appreciate its benefits.

Yes, and yes. (But I do not exactly understand the point ...)

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He is compromised with Ep development, mainly just because he enjoys doing it. But what he doesn't need is pesimism, better encouragements.

Nobody has to listen to me ... :) When I had no a single EP, I wanted one config. When I had a config, I wanted a better one, with a nicer casing. When I had that, I wanted a base board with a better picture ... then I wanted joystick and better displays ... I always looking for a better EP config ... With the EnterMice, my EP will be much better ... but that will not be the end of the road, still ...

But it is not how everybody do ... so I'm just one of the faces of the EP ... Zozosoft (for example) an other thing, entirely ... As far as I know, he is involved more in the "everything of the EP", than only in the "perfecting the EP" line ...
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #339 on: 2015.November.20. 22:46:49 »
You ask me to release Entermice? I can't decide that....

I think they are ready. The driver can be expanded more later, but for now is completely operative. I'm working on three new details, but only to give it more options:

-Show version of Entermice hw and sw when "MOUSE" requested to EXOS.

-Making it compatible with HSOFT serial cad using a serial Microsoft mouse just for legacy users.

-And the most important, making the mouse usable on text modes.

But i think the really promising use of Entermice will be on games, converted or new releases. And of course SymbOS will bring us a new world of compatibility with other machimes. We don't need the driver for that, and I don't count joystick emulation for use on old games.

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #340 on: 2015.November.20. 23:00:40 »
If I achieve creating a mouse text mode then it would be usable on Basic, WP or EXDOS only by loading the driver. Isn't it sciting?

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #341 on: 2015.November.21. 10:27:30 »
Guys,

honestly I do not understand half of what is being discussed here (purely because it is overwhelmingly technical for me)

but I see that it is possible to make a nice SEGA adapter;
and as I am quite clumsy at soldering,  can I order the aforementioned SEGA adapters from anybody (would buy 4 pieces)

I know it sounds heretic, but I I have made reservations for the Entermice because of the Joystick Autofire funcion, not on merit of the PS/2 mouse port :)

Thanks in advance for the answer.
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #342 on: 2015.November.21. 10:41:35 »
I design the PCB for SEGA adapter (matched to casing like on photos over).
If I do not have to cut a dozen wires and solder them individually, I can offer ready-made adapters.
But this is just an idea yet :)

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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #343 on: 2015.November.21. 10:46:01 »
Okay, I hope it will not be too difficult.

I heard some horror stories of burning C64s with SEGA Master System and Megadrive controllers connected,  so I would rather buy a few professional adapters like yours...
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Re: EnterMice (Joy & PS/2 mouse interface)
« Reply #344 on: 2015.November.21. 11:09:42 »
If you connect a SEGA pad directly to the joystick port, it can actually end up being a disaster.
The SEGA pad has power connected to other pins than the standard Atari joystick.