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:UK => Hardware => Topic started by: pear on 2018.January.30. 10:54:55

Title: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.January.30. 10:54:55
A few days ago, Zozo asked me about the possibility of building a replacement for the 7805 stabilizers in EP.
There are many cheap replacements available, but most of them are of very poor quality.
They are in themselves a risk of damaging the EP.
I looked closely at the motherboard and the existing power circuits.
If we remove all the elements that we want to replace with the new solution, there is a lot of space left on the mainboard.
Initially I drew a PCB with a complete + 5V and + 12V power supply matching the emptied space.
I still have to make a template and try on the real mainboard (mainly to check the height).
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.January.30. 11:22:05
:smt038 :smt038 :smt038
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Tutus on 2018.January.30. 21:19:33
:bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.February.06. 13:01:19
We'll see what comes out.
PCB samples on the way.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.February.14. 18:50:30
Almost good. Almost ...
I have mistaken in the order for the main stabilizer. I've ordered type for bad voltage :(
So we'll have to wait for the tests for a while.
At now only the 12V supply part is working properly.
It looks like it will fit :)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.April.19. 06:51:07
Yesterday I did tests of EPower module under load.
In the original Enterprise power system there are 12V@0.15A and 2 channel of 5V@1A power supply.
The module has three power sources: 12V@0.8A and 2 times 5V@2A.
The limits 12V@1,2A, 5V@2,5A (both 5A+5B @4,5A). This is much more than an original power supply can provide :)

In the module, I overloaded the 12V output with current 1A and the diode in the step-up converter warmed up a bit (only it).
One 5V output was load with 2A current. Within 10 minutes of work, without a heat sink, the temperature reached less than 40 degrees celsius :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
I have only one artificial load system, so I did not test both 5V outputs simultaneously, but the single output provides the same power as the entire original circuit.

Now it's time to mount the module in EP.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.April.19. 08:11:50
It is sounds good!
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.April.22. 11:23:25
Mounted.
Stabilizer temperature below 40 degrees Celsius (without heatsink).
The most difficult thing to do is mount the heat sink. The stabilizer is mounted as low as possible, and yet it is slightly higher than in the original.
Maybe it is not very elegant, but I cut the mounting hole and the fragment of the casing and changed the screw to one with a smaller head.

Pins fit perfectly to the fields on the board.
After removing the elements, you need to thoroughly clean the holes from tin. Especially those with a small diameter, under TR2 transistor and 78L12 stabilizer.
From the EP board remain some parts :D
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.April.22. 11:39:59
Wow!!! Wonderful! :smt038
Exactly what I'm dreamed! :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.April.22. 11:51:34
There is only one small problem. It is not cheap :(
The cost of parts and PCB is almost 30 EUR (of which more than half are two stabilizer chips LM2679 and LM2585).
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: gflorez on 2018.April.22. 12:14:12
It is still good for a reparation, not for a conversion.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.April.22. 16:00:22
Somebody needs ?
I have 9 PCBs yet, but I don't know if they worth assemblies.
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Post by: geco on 2018.April.22. 19:53:03
Somebody needs ?
I have 9 PCBs yet, but I don't know if they worth assemblies.
I would buy one :)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.April.22. 20:05:10
I also need one.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.April.22. 20:12:50
OK, let you know when they will be ready :)
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Post by: Tutus on 2018.April.22. 20:32:21
I want to order 2 pieces.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: gflorez on 2018.April.22. 21:47:42
I have my two Enterprises modified with Traco-Powers, but I don't want to stay without one of those jewels....
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.April.23. 06:16:20
Am I already having a fan club ? :shock: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.April.23. 10:08:09
Am I already having a fan club ? :shock: :mrgreen:
Yes :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.07. 19:43:56
Small manufacture ;)
Why there is always so little time to have fun ?
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.May.07. 20:17:21
Which one is my module? :-)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.07. 20:24:59
I don't know yet.
I'm trying assemble them to make it come to you before May 26 :)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.13. 08:40:19
Assembled, tested, ready for delivery. Will be on time.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: gflorez on 2018.May.13. 10:05:55
Do I need some instructions to mount it?
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.13. 10:50:11
I will make a description in the Wiki.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.May.13. 14:24:01
Assembled, tested, ready for delivery. Will be on time.
Fantastic! :smt038
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.15. 21:20:03
Article in Wiki (https://wiki.enterpriseforever.com/index.php?title=EPower) is ready.
And to the set gerber files :)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.May.24. 20:36:43
First one installed, see the difference!
Before:
[attach=1]
After:
[attach=2]
It is a 128K machine, with EXOS 2.4 EPROM, no cartridge.

[attach=3][attach=4][attach=5]
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.25. 06:16:41
Wow :shock:
I didn't do such a measurement.
I focused on performance and temperature reduction.
This is my first eco-product :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.May.25. 06:42:40
This is my first eco-product :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
:smt038
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: gflorez on 2018.May.25. 11:01:58
Great design! mounting it is easier than I though.

It is worth a tutorial in Spanish...
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.25. 16:11:17
Here you are :)
Place prepared (https://wiki.enterpriseforever.com/index.php?title=EPower_(Spanish)).
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: gflorez on 2018.May.26. 15:49:47
Done!

Thanks pear for your dawning help....
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.May.28. 09:56:00
Is possible order more modules? In the EP Club more people interested about it.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: gflorez on 2018.May.28. 10:34:57
And in the Retrowiki page in Spain... count two.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.28. 10:56:58
On the weekend I ordered another 20 pieces.
I do not order more at one time, because it is too big an expense.

All modules work without problems ?
It was a very fast project.
I'm always a bit worried I have forgotten about something.
Supplying power for Enterprise (especially so many) is a big responsibility.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.May.28. 14:06:13
On the weekend I ordered another 20 pieces.
Great! The estimated price is same?

Quote
All modules work without problems ?
I currently built in one :oops: Two more come in this week.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.28. 14:20:42
Directly, the price is unchanged.
At SellMyRetro.com, if something stays, it will have to be higher (commissions).

I also have  only one module running.
I've checked everything a few times, but something anxiety is always left :smt090
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.May.29. 23:54:24
Second built in :-)
This machine previously upgraded with RetroHQ 1M SRAM board. Less consumption than the original 64K DRAM board...
[attach=1][attach=2]
[attach=3][attach=4]
[attach=5]
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.30. 06:00:26
Almost can not see that something has changed in the interior :)

There are a lot of electrolytic capacitors on the module board.
The average working time of a modern capacitor is 2000..3000 h.
I chose, however, higher-end components for 5000 and 7000 hours.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.May.31. 07:07:54
Due to problems with components deliveries, I had to order other coils for the +5V outputs.
Those that were used in the first pieces can not be bought anymore :( It's irritating :evil:
The new ones allow for a slightly smaller current of 2.3 A (instead of 2.6 A as in the previous ones). It's still enough.
I changed the description in the Wiki.

Next week, the last three PCBs from the first series will be available (unfortunately with new coils).
Another until in a month.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.June.04. 21:41:43
Third built in :-)
[attach=1]
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.June.05. 06:37:31
:ds_icon_cheesygrin:

Yesterday I assembled the next 3 pieces. There will be tests today.
Anyone willing ? If not, I will put them on SellMyRetro.

PCBs for the next 20 pieces are on the way.
The next modules will be available in about a month.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.June.05. 09:23:55
The current list for Hungary:
4x for Lacika (https://enterpriseforever.com/profile/?u=19)
4x for Moldani (https://enterpriseforever.com/profile/?u=24)
1x for Speccyalista (https://enterpriseforever.com/profile/?u=186)

And gflorez mentioned it two for Spain. (https://enterpriseforever.com/hardware/enterprise-power-module-epower/msg70920/#msg70920)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: szalai56 on 2018.June.05. 14:09:46
Bocs, beszállhatok 2 db erejéig? (kevesebb postaköltség lenne)
(csak a helyesírást javítottam)

---
I'm interested in 2 pieces.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.June.05. 14:21:42
OK
For Hungary, I see that more is needed. So a little wait.
In that case, these I have, will send first to Spain.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.June.05. 14:43:20
For Hungary, I see that more is needed. So a little wait.
Ok, don't problem.

4x for Lacika
4x for Moldani
1x for Speccyalista
2x for szalai56
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: gflorez on 2018.June.05. 15:36:54
I have to contact him, he was interested in two. I have put a PM on RetroWiki.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.June.09. 10:15:22
Wafers arrived earlier than I expected (two days from Singapoure to Poland :shock: and five days from Warsaw to me :smt043)
The modules will be ready next week :)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.June.10. 11:53:53
Lazy weekend ;)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.June.10. 15:41:06
And at the end of the weekend ;)
It still need to test and they will be ready.

Total there are 15 pieces assembled and I have 9 PCBs left yet.
I will keep two pieces for myself, the remaining 7 will still be available.
Later.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: geco on 2018.June.11. 08:37:26
Wafers arrived earlier than I expected (two days from Singapoure to Poland :shock: and five days from Warsaw to me :smt043)
Like in Hungary, we have to big distances inside the country :ds_icon_cheesygrin:
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.June.11. 12:02:57
Total there are 15 pieces assembled
:shock: :smt038 :smt038 :smt038
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: endi on 2018.June.11. 13:20:34
valaki írja már le nekem hogy mi ez, magyarul :)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.June.11. 14:24:18
valaki írja már le nekem hogy mi ez, magyarul :)
Enterpress-t nem olvastok?
Lásd 9. oldalon. (https://ipaper.ipapercms.dk/2zsirfKft/enterpress/enterpress-2018-per-1/?page=8)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.June.11. 18:22:55
All modules successfully passed the tests :)
Ready for delivery.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Tutus on 2018.June.11. 22:30:50
Enterpress-t nem olvastok?
Lásd 9. oldalon. (https://ipaper.ipapercms.dk/2zsirfKft/enterpress/enterpress-2018-per-1/?page=8)

Ejj, ejj... Ezért csináljuk az újságot? :D
A nyomtatott verzió után max. két hónappal felteszem e-újságként.

http://enterpress.news.hu/index.php/hu/magazin (http://enterpress.news.hu/index.php/hu/magazin)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Povi on 2018.June.12. 15:00:31
I am thinking about to buy one module...
But I am hesitating... :-)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.June.12. 16:58:46
You have a moment to think about it.
Tomorrow I am sending a collective package to Zozo.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.June.14. 16:56:27
The collective package is on the way to Zozo.
There is one additional module in the package, if by any chance someone decided yet ;)
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Z80System on 2018.October.23. 16:25:08

Hello,

And what about the heat ?

Can I use EPower without a heatsink ?

Or a smaller one ? Did you test that ?

(I will use an EP without a chassis, only with the motherboard on legs,
I would happily remove the original EP heatsink if I can ...)

Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.October.23. 16:34:26
As I wrote earlier. Without a heat sink at a load of 2A on 5V power, the main stabilizer heats up to about 40°C.
A small radiator would be recommended just in case.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Z80System on 2018.October.23. 16:44:53

Ahhh ... sorry ... I swear I tried to read carefully ... :oops:

Is this case (2A, 5V power) the case of the EP ? Because 40C seems very OK to me ... that is nothing ... isn't it ?

(Is that 5V the input or output side ? Cause EP power supply output is something 9V or 12V ...)

Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.October.23. 16:48:12
The 5V is on output side. This is the maximum load for which the original power supply circuit was designed.
The manufacturer of the stabilizer chip recommends a small heat sink for better heat dissipation.
Better cooling will extend its durability.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Zozosoft on 2018.October.23. 17:17:12
Z80System want to use machine with CMOS Z80 and SRAM expansion. Less consumption than the original machine.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: pear on 2018.October.23. 17:18:35
Of course you can try without a heatsink.
It's just a recommendation.
Title: Re: Enterprise Power module - EPower
Post by: Z80System on 2018.October.23. 17:46:38

I will try both ... thx.

First I will try with the original heatsink,
but when I got to the fine tunning,

I will check this heatsink removal question as well ...