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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #105 on: 2018.March.03. 18:48:40 »
Yes, I too want a sort of flexy-brige for the bus expander, but others like it solidly anchored to the Enterprise, so at the end an IDC type connector can also be soldered to the connector fingers.

I also have suggested to put double holes on every expansion socket, to use the classic edge connector way or convert all the expansion cards to IDC if needed, for better connexion.

The secondary expander card connects by IDC to the main bus expander card.

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #106 on: 2018.March.11. 21:12:40 »
Searching on the Web  about DIY I/O MSX cartridges I  have found one created around a curious chip that can suit us on Enterprise projects. The CH376S can be found alone as a 3,3v chip or in 3,3/5v USB and/or SD modules, commonly used on Arduino assemblies.





It can be accessed by SPI, serial, and the most important, parallel,Motorola or Intel(not the CH376T cut-down version).



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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #107 on: 2018.May.06. 18:24:53 »
I assembled one PCB for testing.
It worked flawlessly from the first switching on. No bugs :)
You can connect directly to the EP or via FlexiBridge (on video the card is connected via FlexiBridge).
You can use standard tape from PC and drive without any modifications (note: the drive must have a DD/HD switch, not all new drives are equipped with it).

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #108 on: 2018.May.06. 19:01:44 »
Nice!

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #109 on: 2018.May.06. 19:23:03 »
Super compact!

Where do you buy the WD1772? I have only found it for 40 Euro in UK....

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #110 on: 2018.May.06. 19:47:29 »
I still have some supplies :)

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #111 on: 2018.May.07. 01:23:52 »
I have found an USA seller that has some juicy information about the WD1772 and the Atari Ajax clone:

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Atari Ajax Floppy Disk Controller
(The little known Atari Custom made Smart Upgrade chip)

History:

When Atari Japan was Designing / Engineering the First Generation Atari ST Computer (Atari 520ST Computer with external Power Supply and external Floppy Disk Drive) back in mid 1985 era, they based the first series Atari 16 bit computers on the Motorola 68000 16 bit 8Mhz CPU, it supporting chips like the Motorola Multi Function Peripheral  (MFP) chip, and Atari Custom made ST Memory Management Unit (MMU), Glue (code named because it holds the ST System together), DMA (Direct Memory Access) and Video Shifter chips.  In 1985 one of the State of the Art Floppy Disk Controller chips was the Western Digital WD1772 720K SSSD / DSDD Floppy Disk Controller chip.  This is the ST Floppy Disk controller chip Atari Japan Engineering decided to use in the first Atari 520ST computer and all other Atari ST Computers right up the early 68000 16Mhz Atari TT Business Computers.

The subsequent Atari designed 68000 16 bit 8Mhz 1040STF, 520STFM, 1040STE, Mega 1/2/4, MegaSTE 68000 16Mhz and later 68000 32Mhz second generation TT Computers all used the same WD1772 Floppy Disk Controller chip to drive the ST SSSD or DSDD Floppy internal Disk Drive circuits over many years.  As time marched on, Atari Engineering was asked by Atari Marketing to the upgrade the stock Atari Top line TT Business Computers 720K Internal Floppy disk drives to the Newer (for that era) 1.44 High Density (HD) Floppy standard.  

Atari Japan Engineering challenge was to upgrade existing Atari TT Computers to the HD 1.44 Floppy Mechs without major circuit changes to the TT motherboards or major chip changes to on the TT Motherboards.  What was finally decided, was to use hand selected / tested WD1772 chips and over clock them (run them at a faster chip clock speed 8Mhz to 16Mhz).  The WD1772 chips were not originally designed run at the faster 16Mhz internal clock speed, but thru testing, some were found be able to run at the fast clock speed required for HD 1.44 Floppy operation.   With some TT TOS Operating System upgrades (New version TT TOS), New 1.44 HD TT Floppy Disk mechs and the Hand selected / Tested WD1772 chips, Atari was able to upgrade all older / early 16Mhz Atari TT’s and Newer 32Mhz TT’s computers to the HD 1.44 Floppy Disk standard.

Obsolete WD1772 Chip:

Years down line when the newer Atari MegaSTE and Atari Falcon computers were being designed, the old WD1772 chips were becoming obsolete.  Most Disk Controller chips of that era, were lucky to have a normal useful product life / run of 1 to 2 years at most.  Atari had been using the WD1772 Floppy Disk Controller chip in ST computers close to 7+ years.  Western Digital had not made any new production runs of WD1772 Disk Controller chips in years and could not be convinced to make a new run of that old Disk Controller chip.  To support the older Atari ST computer line, Atari had the VLS Chip Company get a license from Western Digital and make a small new production run of the older standard WD1772 Disk Controller chip in a VLS labeled chip package for Atari.

But the writing was on the wall.  Atari Engineering had to find a new ST Disk Drive Controller chip and do some ST Major chip set changes or whole new redesign on future Atari ST Computers in regards to the ST Floppy Circuit design.  What Atari Engineering came up with was a new custom made Upgraded / Smart Disk Controller chip which was backward and forward compatible on all older ST computers and fully compatible on Falcon computers and future ST computers.  That new smart chip is the Atari Ajax High Speed Floppy Disk Controller chip.  

Ajax Chip:

The New Atari Custom made Ajax Disk Controller chip is 100% pin to pin fully backward compatible with the older WD1772 chip on all older ST and other Computer and devices that use the WD1772 Floppy Disk Controller chip.  It is also a Smart Disk Controller Chip that can auto sense the input chip Mhz Clock speed and auto switch into the Newer HD 1.44 Floppy Mode standard.  So a new state of the art Atari Ajax Disk Controller chip can be plugged into the first 1985 Atari 520ST computer made and drive the ST 720K SSSD / DSDD floppy internal or external Disk drive Mech.  The same exact Atari Ajax chip can be plugged into the Floppy Disk circuit on the last state of the art Atari ST computer made, the 1992 Falcon 030 68000 16Mhz Computer and drive the Falcon 1.44 HD Floppy Circuit without any hardware changes.

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #112 on: 2018.May.07. 09:07:40 »
I have found an USA seller that has some juicy information about the WD1772 and the Atari Ajax clone:
Todays I know these. But don't know anything about these when I created the Turbo EXDOS hack for handling HD disks on Enterprise.
Based on my experience: the WD1772 PH 02-02 chips can be used on 16MHz. These are also better than the others, because this version have a enhanced data separator. This can be read many faulty disks what the other controllers don't. (Then my suggestion for backing up floppies: use Enterprise with EXDOS card using WD1772 PH 02-02.)

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #113 on: 2018.May.11. 13:00:57 »
First bus expander pcb mounted. It works as it should be....

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #114 on: 2018.May.11. 18:27:57 »
First bus expander pcb mounted. It works as it should be....
Looks good :)

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #115 on: 2018.May.25. 20:12:20 »
I have changed the EDGE connector of my floppy controller:

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The first card is the Spectrum emulator clon by Pear, the second the MSX adapter, and the third....
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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #116 on: 2018.May.26. 05:18:11 »
...a HxC?
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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #117 on: 2018.May.26. 10:58:45 »
Yes, it is a compact EXDOS+HXC.

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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #118 on: 2018.July.28. 21:02:50 »
And, what about a Compact EXDOS+Gotek on the same case?

Over the last year I have been asking to the Spanish developers to build a supermini Gotek that could suit all the computers provided with floppy controller, but nobody made their the idea...

Now Sellmyretro(not the cheapest web shop...) offers a mini Gotek that measures only 47x46mm, with a lot of headers to connect with cables an encoder, a buzzer, an Oled screen and an USB port, all included for 25 £+5 £ of registered post. An active Polish developer nicknamed Zaxxon is the creator. Probably Pear knows about him.



It comes already programmed with the FlashFloppy firmware.

Imagine, a Gotek can control up to two drives,  A: and B: units internally, and you can still have physical units attached to the external Shuggart port of the EXDOS controller as C: and D: units....

There is also a Lite kit of only the PCB for 15+5 £.
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Re: Creating EXDOS card clone
« Reply #119 on: 2018.July.29. 10:06:18 »
An active Polish developer nicknamed Zaxxon is the creator. Probably Pear knows about him.
Yes, I know him. Tomorrow we grill together :D
Should I give any comments or suggestions ?