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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #240 on: 2013.April.07. 21:04:49 »
Sorry, C64 had also on floppy disk, but i could forget it :D , as I see, the spectrum, and TVC demo cassette also written in BASIC, or looks like a basic program.
Is it possible these demo's were written for the users? They can see, what they can do in basic.

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #241 on: 2013.April.07. 21:08:48 »
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Is it possible these demo's were written for the users? They can see, what they can do in basic.
Probably yes, but the Enterprise also have a In Store Demonstration for running in shops.

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #242 on: 2013.April.08. 13:17:52 »
Some interesting thing about TVC: bug fixed in WinTVC emulator.
Now can run VTDOS cartridge. And it is the "IS-DOS" for the TVC! Previously I never seen this!
This package contains ROM files and system disk image.
For try it: select 64K+ machine (Gép/Típus/TVC 64+ )
Insert disk controller ROM: File/IO kártya illesztése/ select one of DOSHBF ROM files.
Insert VT-DOS cartridge: File/Cartridge betöltése / select one of VTDOS ROM files.
And finaly insert the system disk: Lemez/diszk behelyezés/A: meghajtó

The structure of system disk are very similar to IS-DOS disk! And most interesting the file dates!
It is looks the last version compiled at 1987 May 19.!
At this day launched the Enterprise in Hungary!

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #243 on: 2013.April.08. 13:49:52 »
WinTVC works - I had forgotten about the big V and the Enterprise-ish flashing Videoton logo! 

It all seemed to work until the last step - then I get

Error 190 -- drive !:
Abort or Retry (A/R)?

I wonder if this is the same AF corruption bug as you found in EXDOS?!


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It is looks the last version compiled at 1987 May 19.!
At this day launched the Enterprise in Hungary!
Ha ha, happy coincidence surely?!

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #244 on: 2013.April.08. 13:53:50 »
Now I've rebooted, it's working! Amazing to see it again!

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #246 on: 2013.April.12. 16:31:56 »
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TV advert of TVC :-)
Thank you - very interesting!

1988...if Spectrum, C64, Enterprise etc were available I wonder how they managed to sell any?! How important to people was it that it was Hungarian made? And had a Hungarian keyboard?

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #247 on: 2013.April.12. 20:39:14 »
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Thank you - very interesting!

1988...if Spectrum, C64, Enterprise etc were available I wonder how they managed to sell any?! How important to people was it that it was Hungarian made? And had a Hungarian keyboard?
TVC's were sold mainly to schools, and they were bought by some individual. I also met with this computer at school. Yes, it had a hun keyboard

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #248 on: 2013.April.12. 22:02:21 »
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Yes, it had a hun keyboard
I was wondering how important the Hungarian keyboard was to the TVC's popularity, as I'm guessing Spectrum, C64 etc. didn't have a Hungarian keyboard available. And perhaps an important factor in it being chosen for schools?

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #249 on: 2013.April.12. 22:16:38 »
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And perhaps an important factor in it being chosen for schools?
I think the price is the most important factor :-) and bought from Hungary or other socialist country. Bought anything from West not too easy...

Previously exist another school computer: HT1080Z it is also Made in Hungary, but the licence from Video Genie

Anyway many solution exist for Hungarian charset and keyboard for the most computers: C64, Spectrum, and naturally for the Enterprise :-)

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #250 on: 2013.April.12. 22:37:12 »
In those days the hungarian keyboard layout was not so important, if I know well only hungarian computer which had hungarian keyboard was TVC that time :)

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #251 on: 2013.April.12. 22:38:13 »
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Anyway many solution exist for Hungarian charset and keyboard for the most computers: C64, Spectrum, and naturally for the Enterprise :-)

Maybe you should include commodore plus4 too. As far as I can see, the story is somewhat similar to EP: it was not a market hit in the world, but tons of machines sold in Hungary then, which made it quite wide-spread and known in Hungary at least, compared to the other parts of the world. This is also true about the Hungarian charset and similar issues.

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #252 on: 2013.April.12. 22:43:12 »
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if I know well only hungarian computer which had hungarian keyboard was TVC that time :)
Primo also have, but not full, only for the most important characters.

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #253 on: 2013.April.14. 17:07:08 »
Question from the Hungarian forum:
The Enterprise has a lot of extra keys: Function keys, ALT, CTRL, ERASE, DEL, INS, HOLD, STOP, etc.
Where is the idea from? For example existing CP/M standards?
« Last Edit: 2013.April.15. 21:56:19 by szipucsu »

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Re: Q&A with Bruce Tanner (IS-BASIC writer)
« Reply #254 on: 2013.April.14. 17:35:04 »
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Question from the Hungarian forum:
The Enterprise have lot of extra keys: Function keys, ALT, CTRL, ERASE, DEL, INS, HOLD, STOP, etc.
Where did the idea? For example existing CP/M standards?
The case and keyboard design were done when I started, but most of those keys were already fairly standard on "big" computers of the time (don't forget the original IBM PC was released in 1981). Built-in support for HOLD and STOP was a bit more unusual - I think they came from Robert Madge's drive to make things as simple as possible (in CP/M it is CTRL-S to pause and CTRL-C to stop, but they are implemented in the character I/O functions, so if the program is not performing any character I/O you cannot stop it). The "soft" and "hard" reset also came from Robert Madge - I remember all the programmers (including me) were very dubious about resetting the Z80 in the middle of eg. a crashed BASIC program and then expecting to be able to get back the BASIC prompt with the program in tact, but I have to admit it works surprisingly well!